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View Poll Results: Nisemonogatari - Episode 08 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 166 | 75.45% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 22 | 10.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 10 | 4.55% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 1.36% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 4 | 1.82% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 3 | 1.36% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 3 | 1.36% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 0.91% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.45% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 6 | 2.73% | |
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2012-02-26, 14:45 | Link #281 | |
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I can't speak for anyone, but, I liked Yosuga no Sora, and I'm sure that would have sparked more "moral panic" than this. I mean, I've watched two series that involve someone fucking their sister(s) in explicit fashion and I didn't complain... too much. I just watched a rather good hentai the day before this episode that I rated 8/10 on MAL and I probably can't discuss it any more here. I watched Boku wa Tomadachi mainly to see the characters bend over. This season, I'm not watching Inu x Boku SS for the plot. Hell, I was even looking forward to Karen fanservice because I find her one of the hotter characters in the series. But sometimes it is how it is served. Take the episode with Shinobu. I barely considered that episode fanservice at all. It was sensual, but most importantly it felt natural, and that was just 2 naked people in a bath all episode. But only for a few moments I felt it was gratuitous because I was too busy worrying about other stuff, like the dialogue and how awesome Shinobu was. I also didn't even have a problem with the last Karen fanservice episode that involved him rubbing her down and Araragi walking around with only a towel. That was odd, but still I didn't find it too ridiculous anyways. I think it displayed their closeness a lot better than this episode which just seemed to focus too much on tossing in naughty shots of Karen. Anyhow, there's a problem when you're looking for hot stuff but just find this... and it's not like Shaft has the best visuals anyways so the fanservice already takes a hit.
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2012-02-26, 14:59 | Link #282 |
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I know you are referring specifically to detailed fanservice visuals, but I just want to say that I personally feel that in general terms Shaft does have the "best visuals." If I want to watch a show for the visual aspect of it, I will choose a Shaft show. It's not a matter of detail, for sure, or of detailed motion (although there was plenty of that here), but Shinbou simply has the eye and knows how to produce what I regard as actual Art.
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2012-02-26, 15:00 | Link #283 |
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Oh... my..... GOD!!
I think I need a cold shower now. That scene (and you know which one I mean) was just erotic. OK, OK, it may have been bad and wrong, but still, it was erotic. More than that, it showed you can do erotic without resorting to tits and arse, which is a lesson so many other anime series could do with learning. Also, now the combination of Nisoisin and Shinbo have introduced the anime-viewing world to the concept of 'tooth-brushing fetish', which is a phrase I DARE NOT GOOGLE!!! Free-ow. I'm going to the pub now. I need a drink, or several! |
2012-02-26, 15:03 | Link #284 |
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Art? Yes. But in terms of "hotness" or "cuteness"? Don't get me wrong, even tho I like all the character's looks, I'll admit they are not the best at this aspect. Thinking about it, maybe more random fanservice here and there would be better than one straight fanservice episode, but I still greatly enjoyed it. Just my opinion, nothing less, nothing more.
Anyways, we can all agree that regardless of what's happening here...
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2012-02-26, 15:03 | Link #285 | |
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"It isn't adding to the plot." "Nothing happened." "The plot is not moving." "Pointless." I don't understand this sentiment, it baffles me, strikes me as strange. How can one think this after really watching Bakemonogatari, and 8 episodes of Nisemonogatari? The plot for these stories, the whole motivation behind everything is: Araragi being put in odd situations with various female cast members, and *specifically* the conversations that those situations generate. That is the whole point, aim, crux, focus, the very reason for existence of this series. It's never been about what is happening, it is about the conversations and the interactions the characters are having. There's a scant framework of motivation to make somewhat plausible why they are having the conversation, the thing other shows would call plot. In this story, it's just there to facilitate the conversations. The plot is the characters talking, I don't know if it can be put simpler. |
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2012-02-26, 15:06 | Link #286 | |
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2012-02-26, 15:07 | Link #287 |
Stüldt Hĺjt!
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And we are slowly coming full circle with what is a staple in Monogatari threads: plot vs. no plot, character interactions vs. plot moving, substance vs. no substance at all (since nothing is happening!), etc.
I think relentlessflame/00Coyote pretty much nailed it above, as far as I'm concerned.
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2012-02-26, 15:13 | Link #289 | |
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Surely, the monogatari series is (in)famous for its talking head syndrome with gritty/clever themes, characters quirks and so forth. However, it isn't the same in this episode: what we got here? an erotic centred scene based on an extravagant (if not new age?) fetish. Episode 8 basically feels extremely disjointed, as Karen "issue" is already fixed and she could, at most, be a support characters or add some flavor, the same as how every other characters such like Mayoi and Suruga were doing. Claiming it is all about character talk in this very episode is dubious at best: the circumstances and visuals were the very first striking part of this episode, and frankly, revolving 20 minutes over 1 single game for simply having "Karen meeting Suruga" is beyond something I really expect to be "a clever directing choice" for a series that has only 11 episodes. Really, it seems you miss completely the point of the problem as it is presented: I don't recall outrage with Hitagi sexy poses at the start of Nise, nor people cried "BOO INCEST" when Koyomi kissed Karen whatsoever. Again, if fanservice itself was a single moment without being overly dominant for a full episode, theren't wouldn't have that much negative response. However, dedicating a full episode for that, with a very random premise and laid bare script? Hell no. Heck, Archon example is surely effective: Shinobu's showtime has a huge share of fanservice, yet the content and essence is radically different and the response wasn't that much negative. There is a drastic difference here, period. Oh well, third time I expose in a different fashion the problem I see in this episode, while other didn't feel that much of an outrage. Pressing the point will be just even more paraphrasing, so I will just end with that.
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2012-02-26, 15:27 | Link #291 |
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This episode was enjoyable to me and that's all that matters. If I want to watch/read a story with some plot, I'd read actual novels like ASOIAF, WoT, LOTR or Dune. This is a lightnovel for pete's sake. It deserves my 10 cookies because it did what it was supposed to do. Entertain the audience (me).
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2012-02-26, 15:55 | Link #294 | ||
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It's not about the characters talking. (to advance the plot) It's about the characters talking. (to advance the relationships) Araragi and Hitagi talking way back in episode 2 of Bakemonogatari, had nothing to to with advancing the 'plot' of her being cured of the weight crab. It was there to advance the relationship between the two. Araragi and Hitagi talking all through the snail arc had very little to do with advancing the 'plot' of getting Hachikuji home. It was there to advance the relationship between the two. Araragi and Shinobu talking in the bathtub have very little to do with advancing the 'plot' of helping Karen. It was there to advance the relationship between the two. Araragi and Karen talking before the toothbrush scene, and the whole game had very little to do with Karen meeting Suruga. It was there to advance the relationship between the two. (In a somewhat disturbing direction) Over and over you see Araragi and someone talking, sometimes under the pretense of advancing the 'plot' many times in pointless conversation. It's not about using conversation to Help X, Solve Y or Find Z, the conversations are used to advance the relationships, and if the relationships can be advanced without moving the 'plot' Nisio Isin gleefully lets the 'plot' rot while he lets the characters go on with their banter. That is what i meant by "The plot is the characters talking." |
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2012-02-26, 15:58 | Link #296 | |
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For my part, I can say that I think everything you had to say about the episode makes sense and doesn't seem unreasonable. But I can also say that none of the aspects that troubled you had any impact whatsoever on my enjoyment of the episode. And so, even though we watched the same episode and had largely opposite reactions, we're both right. Vive la différence! (Man a lot of forum arguments would end more quickly and peacefully if people could remember this principle... )
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2012-02-26, 16:12 | Link #298 |
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That track goes with anything! The animation also syncs nicely. A true masterpiece!
edit: Lol. Gotta love the video recommendations on that one!
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2012-02-26, 16:16 | Link #299 |
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What. This just. This is....
That toothbrush scene felt long. 10-15 minutes long. This whole episode. It felt like I opened an episode of Death Note and the whole thing was Yagami Light eating potato chips for 30 minutes. It felt like watching episode 2 of Nisemonogatari and getting thirty minutes of Koyomi and Nadeko playing twister. This was one weird episode. |
2012-02-26, 16:17 | Link #300 |
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I'm not usually one for random Youtube videos (this one is related at least), but somehow this video manages to match or exceed the same WTF reaction generated by the episode, but in 1:45. The anticipation for the "drop" was well done. Props to the editor.
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