2010-09-05, 13:50 | Link #261 | |
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2010-09-05, 13:53 | Link #262 |
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I've just been thinking (I know, it's not a regular occurrence ), and I've had an odd thought - could Ichigo's new form actually be his proper bankai? That could be why he was able to get Tensa Zangetsu in just 2 days and why he can't seal Zangetsu. I know the Getsuga Tenshou use when "sealed" doesn't make that much sense, but the way that his new form's powers are extensions of Tensa Zangetsu's powers conforms to the examples of bankai we have so far (e.g Byakuya's lots of petals going to 8 bajillion blades, Gin's spear going to 13km, Soifon's 2-hit kill becoming 1-hit kill, etc.), and it also goes with the "bankai is bigger than shikai" rule. It would require Ichigo to be stupidly powerful, but it doesn't require as many new rules to be invented just to make Ichigo more hax than everyone else - it could just be a quirk of Ichigo being part-human, part-shinigami, part-hollow. For all we know "Bankai" could be Tensa Zangetsu's release command. This way Ichigo's learning curve isn't so stupid - if power growth simulates aging, then Ichigo gaining bankai in a human 3 months (several shinigami years) makes more sense, as most of the most powerful captains could probably have learned bankai in 3-4 years if on a deadline similar to Ichigo's (the destruction of much he holds dear).
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2010-09-05, 14:31 | Link #263 |
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It doesn't really matter whether or not they're Vasto Lorde really because...well...they're already dead. And Aizen has clearly proven that he doesn't even need them, so they don't really have any place in the plot anymore (aswell as about 90% of the cast).
The Vasto Lordes were made out to be an incredible threat to Soul Society. And in the end the top three went out before even being confirmed as Vasto Lordes. If Kubo hadn't confirmed it, then no one would've known for sure. Pretty anti-climactic if you ask me.
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2010-09-05, 14:32 | Link #264 | |
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I mena Starrk was such a strong VL that everyone around him disintergrated just from his reiatsu similar to what Aizen did, it seems to me like arrancarization just made the hollows weaker. I wouldn't be surprised if Unohana heals Halibel, Stark and Barragan and the three use Segunda Etapa to help Ichigo fight newly formed 50 foot tall One Winged Butterfly Aizen, this would be the only way to redeem them IMO, that the 3 were simply dealt with before they decided to use their true powers.
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2010-09-05, 15:00 | Link #266 | |
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I don't see how they could both die from one slash when some characters survive their arms being torn off, but oh well.
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2010-09-05, 19:24 | Link #268 | ||
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When he first fought the fraccion, he stated that he felt that they only won because of the surprise factor from their limit break; he thought they were in real deep shit Then along comes Luppi, temporary espada #6 (who was easily killed by the real #6), who manages to give Toshiro serious trouble and knocks him out for a while; Toshiro beat him in the end, but it was only with a huge surprise attack... and now we have Halibel, Espada #3... she should be VASTLY stronger than the previous arrancar and yet he was still holding his own for the most part... she was stronger than Luppi but it seemed like it was only by a relatively small margin, because honestly, by all logic she probably should have finished him in seconds |
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2010-09-05, 20:14 | Link #269 |
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I don't understand why Hitsugaya would of even thought that about Grimmjow's Fraccion. If the Fraccion were a real threat to Hitsugaya and Co at full power...they wouldn't of been one-shotted, even if they were surprised. But that's just imo.
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2010-09-05, 20:28 | Link #270 | |
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You also seem to be forgetting Halibel was holding her own against 2 Vizards (who we can assume after 100 years they're on a captain level) and Toshiro, so she was considerably powerful. |
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2010-09-05, 20:45 | Link #271 | |
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2010-09-05, 22:22 | Link #275 | |
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Though actually the vizards themselves i find to be another point of complaint in terms of power levels... namely that they SORELY underperformed much like the espada... I mean, when Ichigo put on his mask, the level of power he exibited was incredible, he was able to go from getting his ass handed to him to being the one delivering the asskicking... The vizards almost never exhibited that same awesome level of power difference... The power increase they received seemed minimal at best. 2 vizard captains go up against stark and loose, but normal captain Shunsui (who again should not even be strong enough to TOUCH Stark) kills stark in two hits? Unlike Ichigo the masks didn't really feel like they made all that much of a difference. I mean, Love's attacks on stark seemed like they were not really all that more effective whether the mask was on or off... And i don't recall Lisa or Hiyori doing anything special in their fight; those two should have been so strong with their vizard masks that they would make Toshiro dizzy... Also fighting against a resurrected halibel for even a moment without a mask on should be considered utterly insane, but they do so anyway and don't die in seconds... Mashiro is the exception to all that though... she's the only one i could see the power difference in; what with her kicking wonderweiss's ass one minute and then getting KO'd in one hit the next... That more or less echo'd how ichigo's second fight with Grimjow went... it's more like what i would have expected from these fights. but no, masks didn't seem to make that much of a difference, and people with no masks didn't have much trouble keeping up with the vizards Though i guess i could switch up the perspective and say that it wasn't the vizards and arrancars underperforming, but the SS captains OVERperforming, being MUCH stronger than they should have been... ofcourse based on this logic, Toshiro might be able to go toe to toe with Vizard Ichigo Quote:
And unlike Ichigo, the SS captains take DECADES to make real developments in strength... if they were capable of improving as quickly as ichigo, dramatic leaps in just weeks, then most of the captains would have reach their peak like Aizen did since most of them have been doing this for over a 100 years... heh, "it is said that the vasto lorde's are stronger than the average SS Captain; as such an arrancarized Vasto Lorde would be a true nightmare... but give us like a week or two of training and we'll match that no problem" Last edited by Slayerx; 2010-09-06 at 00:55. |
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2010-09-06, 00:38 | Link #278 |
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When fighting Luppi, his strongest attack was the ice prison thing, but after several months of training and having the desperation to use an experimental technique he couldn't be sure to control, the flower thing became his strongest attack
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2010-09-06, 01:23 | Link #279 | |
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But while all captains have high power, they're hardly on the same level. There are definitely captains more powerful than others, and I think that power difference goes up exponentially with age/experience. I always thought Toshiro was vastly generalizing by saying "A captain," especially if he's using himself as the average example. Shunsui said that "maybe in a 100 (or was it 1000?) years, Toshiro MIGHT be able to surpass him." Which means that now, Shunsui is vastly MORE powerful than Toshiro, who's already pretty powerful. |
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