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Perfect 10 | 3 | 7.50% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 4 | 10.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 7 | 17.50% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 15 | 37.50% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 8 | 20.00% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 2.50% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 2 | 5.00% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-01-31, 02:15 | Link #101 | |
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Here's my breaking down of things:
Nike walks up bravely/terrified, and pulls out her sword...in an instant, she cuts off Hysteria's leg, and Tabitha/Deneve immediatly swoop in and pull Ana away.... Nike quickly tries to swipe at Hysteria, but to her shock, she isn't going for her at all, but for Ana and the others...she even seems to power-up if her vengeful face means anything... But in that moment, Miria jumps her... If Miria indeed jumped her while she was zooming, and especially after she powered up, that does imply that Miria was indeed faster then her....the way I see it then, is that, she only powered up the exact moment Miria jumped her and was actually travelling slow, or at least, slow enough that she could call back to Nike and presumably mock her. "Slow" is relative considering how those two panels on page 24 show her catching up to Ana and co very fast, and we're assuming that they are racing with everything they've got....ehh, it all feels very close (and by close, I mean the line between plausible and unplausible); considering this is base Miria we're talking about, (extreme) luck is undeniably involved in order to keep things logical. Hysteria just didn't expect her coming at all, though I can see how that wouldn't be enough for some people. Quote:
Ehh, I guess she was caught by surprise so much, that she just totally abandoned the others and went straight back for the pest Miria; thinking she could finish the others easily when she's done (and frankly, if Miria is staying in base form, she's making it easy for her). I know it may not seem like much, but I'm trying hard to rationalize things
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2012-01-31, 02:35 | Link #102 |
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That's why I find it hard to believe that Hysteria is of Abyssal level. Since their introduction we were told AOs are in a completely different league than the rest of ABs. Isley, even though much more powerful and bigger than Rigaldo (who was at least as fast as Miria's fastest phantom without going over her limit) was faster than lion king, there was such a difference. Now Miria and others are supposedly facing the fastest AB ever and what do we see? Everyone can stand their ground against her and Miria seems to be faster than her even though she was slower than unawakened Hysteria, lol. And Hysteria is bound to be killed by Dr. Deneve and her team which will really show how broken power levels are.
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2012-01-31, 02:53 | Link #103 |
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Maybe the answer goes back to what I said one time in that the ressurecction short-changed them - awakening was inevitable given their circumstances...maybe they got short-changed in the power-aspect and they didn't come out as strong as they should have, even though they are indeed No.1's -- perhaps Hysteria was supposed to get wings and she didn't....
That line of thinking makes sense when you consider that Hysteria was indeed faster then Miria as a human... (then again, I think those words are relative...... she couldn't win through conventional methods and had to use cleverness and the whole sword-in-mouth thing...that whole battle was a technique vs technique show...Hysteria was going to eventually win if Miria didn't pull it off....so.....yeah, nevermind - alright: she was indeed faster then her.) I'm not sure though on a few things - one, that Hysteria is supposed to be the "fastest" AB/AO ever - maybe I forgot, but when was that said? and everyone can stand their ground? I disagree....if anything, Hysteria has been in command of this fight all along - in part, it doesn't feel that way because Hysteria is still experimenting with her new body; trying to fly for instance...that's why I think it seems the others actually have a chance with her....more and more since she's awakened though, I think it's becoming more plain that the odds are going further into Hysteria's favor, as well they should be. The only thing that gets in the way of that is here - when Miria catches up with her, though I think my idea of her immediately pouncing her when she powers up is right - because once Hysteria sees Miria, her face is immediatly back to normal....so she couldn't have charged up too much if she changed back so quickly.
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2012-01-31, 03:02 | Link #104 |
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@Shiek
As Malak pointed out earlier, no other AB had such problems with stopping as Hysteria had (besides Clare but she wasn't exactly AB) which suggests she reached impossible speeds (i.e. she's the fastest AB we've seen, Priscilla excluded maybe). As for everyone being able to stand their ground, well, no one died right? And somehow Hysteria couldn't kill anyone even though she had over 30 pages in this chapter alone ;P. Nike and Deneve are unscathed, Helen wasn't even hit (as always) and the ones that were hit have been protected. So as a group they can easily stand their ground against her. |
2012-01-31, 03:13 | Link #105 |
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I think I'm actually willingly to accept she may be the fastest AB we've seen yet (barring Priscilla perhaps)....what clinches it is, her phantoms in the air.....we've never seen anyone doing that besides Miria - certainly not an Abyssal - not Riful, not Alicia, not Isley....she's the only one on her, presumably AO, level who has ever done this; that says alot.
Deneve, by the way, called all three of them "Abyssal-level opponents"....so even if Hysteria, and all the others, have indeed not reached their full potential because of hiccups in the ressurection....they are still strong enough to have that label which, well, is alot. So if they had any serious issues, like the Ghosts being able to catch them, it can't be because of power and must be other reasons - you can't be an Abyssal and others can catch if you if it's not deliberate....that's impossible and/or embarrassing. I think, again, Miria's surprise-hit is going to boil down to extreme luck - even if she was deliberately going slow to berate Nike some more....even if she only powered up the very second Miria pounced her (which is true, if my face analysis is right)....it's all relative because, being as fast as she presumably is, that's still veerrrry fast; it feels like a stretch to say she slowed herself down THAT much, especially considering how close she was gaining on Ana and co.... And this is base Miria we're talking about....suddenly I think the whole thing has crossed the line to straight up inplausible/complete luck. But as for them holding their ground.....Gooral, you don't expect Yagi to kill off a bunch of his main characters all at once do you? That's what it is - it's not that they can't stand against her, it's just that Hysteria either seemingly misses them all (reasoning is probably still lack of control on her part - this Claire-berserker speed she has now may not even last; she probably will control herself more very shortly), or most of the Ghosts die in one shot. Pick your choice Yeah, that's really what it is I think; may seem like a bad excuse, but...
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2012-01-31, 03:27 | Link #106 |
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If she misses them even though she has so much bigger body and wires/limbs that could cut in half any Claymore at her speed if she bothered to stretch them, then she completely sucks. And you surely don't believe any Claymore will die? ;P |
2012-01-31, 03:33 | Link #107 | |
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(Ironically, said ghosts are Tabitha, Helen and Deneve....who don't have the best reputation at the moment; I'd miss them, and people would too, though I imagine many people would say 'good riddance' at first, since the first things they remember is Dr.D, Helen's stupidity that thwarts death, and Tabitha's lack of importance ) Do I believe a Claymore will die? Well, I'm hoping somebody besides the ZAOs dies around here...if Yagi keeps pulling off surprisingly exciting moments filled with tension like this mexican-standoff he had going on in this one, he may make me (almost) forget that no-one has died in a very very very long time... ..... .....You know, in a cosmic sort of way, it really is something how so many of us are hoping for blood and guts . Anyway, It's extremely late over here - I'm going to bed now
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2012-01-31, 03:49 | Link #108 | |
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Hysteria deliberately didn't kill any of the warriors, she said in this chapter that if someone is willing to pull that sword out, she would let her live, she mentioned that she couldn't be so kind (as in the last chapter) anymore, and if no one would pull the sword out for her, she would mince everyone so that she could swallow them n eventually, Nike volunteered, and as promised, after the sword had been pulled out, Hysteria said she would not kill Nike and she went to hunt others instead -- miria's monologues and the dialogues between miria and deneve explained well that it's impossible for everyone to survive, deneve even criticized miria that she is too perfectionist, it is naive to hope that all warriors could survive in reality, and it is perfectly okay that some of them die in the battle <-- i think u guys should read the english translation later, i quite like the lines by deneve, it is like the old claymore style is back imo this chapter makes many things so rational again Last edited by manmmlala; 2012-01-31 at 04:04. |
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2012-01-31, 04:29 | Link #109 |
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So she's been holding back? While those words are supposed to be reassuring for people like me who are at a loss due to recent events, I just can't seem to shake off how much it seemed like she had actually been trying... There are so many inconsistencies.
I think Hysteria, having had the sword removed, was too fixated on the food to notice Miria. That's how I see it, because it wouldn't make sense any other way. The notion that Miria moved so fast that Hysteria wasn't able to detect her (recall Rigardo's musings upon the introduction of Clare's awakened legs) is ludicrous. Then again, when we look further along the scene, we see Hysteria not being able to reach Miria despite the latter changing directions multiple times, whereas she is apparently proceeding in a straight line. Ugh... Also note how easily Nike (twice) and Dietrich (once) managed to cut off Hysteria's legs, whereas Miria wasn't able to. Does Miria's strength really suck that much? I recall her strength pre-timeskip was a C, so it's plausible. Still, it's quite hard to believe that those two are stronger than Miria in terms of raw strength. Then there's the issue of Helen being able to dislodge Hysteria's blades. Examining several pages of Scene 122 immediately prior to Yuma speaking, we see that Hysteria supposedly shoots and retracts those blades at such speed that the holes don't appear to have blades embedded in them, and that the ones that do are mostly probably for explanatory purposes, and yet here's Helen, who manages to shoot at it while having sensory powers not even remotely close to Clare's. |
2012-01-31, 04:30 | Link #110 |
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The sentence by Deneve implies that Miria knows she has no chance of winning but is plotting something against Hysteria by using the other 2 DAOs.
Any speculations? My speculation: Maybe to lure her into the fray and then using Anastasia hairs, all of them infuse their yoki to the strands and trap her momentarily there? |
2012-01-31, 04:37 | Link #111 |
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I really don't see Miria "catching-up" to Hysteria as Miria being faster, so much as Miria planned to intercept her in the first place.
AKA: They grab Anastasia and run away with her, Hysteria chases them. Miria, expecting this, was already headed to cut her off before she actually got moving. That is what makes the most sense to me, but some people would probably rather ignore that and continue to complain about speed differences. ------------ I also get the feeling the game plan is to drag Hysteria into Cassandra vs Roxanne and have all three of the new Abyssal Ones at each others throats.
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2012-01-31, 08:23 | Link #117 | |
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it's quiet obvious that the plot demands them to cut her legs to free anastacia etc. it's not an indicator of strengh what bugs me is that the page with anastacia on hysterias legs is a rehash of older panels (claire getting her head slammed in the ground, and the hysteria ones from the last chapter). also it seems to be too deneve centric for my taste. edit: hysterias gameface looks like 2 puppies playing in a flowery meadow |
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2012-01-31, 08:32 | Link #118 |
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I remember Deneve parrying Hysteria's attack but I don't remember her trying to cut her legs. Which page was that? And page in your spoiler isn't shown since you're hotlinking. Anyway, does anyone else find it strange that in Cassie vs. Roxanne fight there seems to be no progress even though so much time has passed? |
2012-01-31, 08:45 | Link #119 | |
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You make some nice observation and critiques to this chapter about Histy's action,but imo you are forgetting a VERY SIMPLE point that could easily explain most(if not) all of your doubts about Histy: what makes you think that she is not simply playing around with her opponents? No,seriously,her attitude is exactly like someone that is not that serious. Even if she can go at absurd speed,what makes you think that she isn't moving slower than her top speed? This could easily explain why Miria was able to jump at her (not to mention that Miria could also move in a different direction from Histy and have that advantage,it's not that Miria really outrun Histy,lol). In the end Histy doesn't seem to be worried even one bit,so imo she's not even fighting seriously........and also it's a bit unfair to compare Histy with old AOs: she has awakened for the first time just a few minutes ago and she's clearly still playing around/ experimenting her new body, old abyssals instead were veterans in their awakened body and it makes sense that they were able to use their body to the fullest. Probably that's exactly what Miria wants to use as an advantage,Histy's arrogance and maybe her low experience with her new body. @little_angel Quote:
In the end i was wrong on two things mainly: -one thing is the fact that i didn't belive realistic to obtain a good manouvrability using only one spike at a time (and tbh that should be 100% correct from a physics point of view,lol.....but in mangas this things don't work exactly as expected,hahaha),and on this point it seems that instead Yagi thinks like you that one spike is enough -the other mistake is that i belived that what she did at the very could be something different from what she did initially (maybe i was tricked by the fact that Yagi seemed to put a good focus on Histy's last panels,as if she was about to do something new),and tbh it doesn't seems to be the case at all,lol but the main mechanic of Histy's technique was very close to what actually happens: she doesn't lose her spikes at all,she use them and retracts them. ----------------------------------------- Deneve,don't mind your haters,you look (i'll judge what she actually said later,when the eng version is out) super cool even in this chapter!!! Last edited by MalakTawus; 2012-01-31 at 09:19. |
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2012-01-31, 08:49 | Link #120 | |
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@manmmlala any clue from Deneve's comments about death... if we'll ever see it soon? and I'm going to be annoyed if "ms perfectionist miria" avoids causing any other warrior deaths by becoming the only casuality and sacrifices herself in some lame manner. @malak chs out, moving on...
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