2014-06-14, 16:48 | Link #127 |
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I need detailed information about Shiroe's Thorn Bind Hostage for a mock battle vs Kirito.
1. How many thorns can Shiroe summon at 93, and how much additional damage is there per thorn? 2. It's said that an ally's attack can trigger TBH's thorn damage. Is it exclusively for allies, or can Shiroe trigger the damage himself? The answer for this isn't set in stone yet. Other than that, I noticed Shiroe has a ton of other spells that don't have any descriptions yet in his wiki. Anyone with that knowledge along with citations, feel free to update them. Thank you! |
2014-06-14, 18:18 | Link #128 | |
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The explosion of thorns can only be activated by an attack by an ally and not the caster itself. And trying to make a vs battle between an enchantress against other is dumb. Specially if the built isn't made for damage dealer. If Shiroe's built is twinkler? or sprinkler? which is pure damage dealer. Then its useless to make a vs of enchanter. Shiroe's built is more on mana healer. He gathers mana and distributes mana of his allies evenly which makes the party that heavily uses skills, be able to use skills more. Enchanter in mana usage department isn't really high because their skills are for support or crowd control. Like astral hypno, astral bind or paralyzing or confusing the enemy. If you want pvp mock battle then pick Chief Nyanta. He will kill Kirito like a noob though if Kirito uses cheat then the chief will loose >_> Swashbuckler are more for pvp battles.
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2014-06-14, 18:42 | Link #129 | |
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Also, my reasoning for not picking Nyanta is because I know for a fact he can defeat Kirito. He fought Demikas, who is very similar in health, speed (if not faster), and power to Kirito. Nyanta's debuffs will render Kirito helpless. Kirito will also have no admin or deus ex machina powers in the mock battle I created. |
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2014-06-14, 19:04 | Link #130 |
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But Shiroe doesn't have any offensive spells that can really damage someone?
So I see no reason for it. Plus using the respective lead in anime as reason? the built is just plain different and uses too. Kirito is a pure damage dealer that can solo a mini boss to boss battle while Shiroe is support class. I really can't see Shiroe winning that pvp battle. The only damage spell Shiroe has is Electrical Fuzz and its more like a a light show than an actual damage.
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2014-06-14, 21:57 | Link #131 |
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Shiroe is in this fantasy battle at level 93, his current level in the novels. He also had a larger assortment of spells that need descriptions:
If you can lead me to where I can find the description for the spells (or a place where I can translate it), it would be greatly appreciated. |
2014-06-14, 22:06 | Link #132 | |
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But really, as it's been said, Shiroe's entire build is focused on aiding others because that's what Shiroe liked about the class. You can't solo/fight alone with it, you essentially have to work with others. I've read all those spells' descriptions, and almost all of them are for casting on others/buffing allies. Few of them are attack spells, and the only build that can actually use those spells to cause considerable damage is extremely equipment-dependent and is not Shiroe's build anyways.
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2014-06-14, 22:19 | Link #133 | |
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Maximizing magic attack with equipment and focusing skill points on pure damage skill.
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2014-06-15, 04:19 | Link #134 | |
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If Thorns is only ally inflicted damage, it's safe to say Kirito will eventually whittle down Shiroe's health by rule of diminishing returns on CC. However, if Thorns can break on any damage the caster can inflict, or if Shiroe can summon a pet to do damage for him, this changes the game completely and even a level 90 Shiroe can pull an upset. And Kirito, having no debuffs and is known to attack with reckless abandon, will eventually be caught in the proverbial sand trap. The ultimate conclusion of this fantasy battle lies on the answer I get from marmalade, however. As of right now, it's still up in the air. |
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2014-06-15, 16:52 | Link #135 | ||
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Also, you have to keep in mind the difference in HP. Enchanters (and the Mage classes in general) have low HP compared to other classes and a weak defense.
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2014-06-16, 21:06 | Link #136 | |
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2014-06-16, 22:07 | Link #137 | |
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I'm just stating a what if situation.
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2014-10-06, 09:51 | Link #139 |
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Only girl he shows any more thant just friendly afection is Kanami... who isn't even in Yamato. Other people are threated just as guildmates, friends and coworkers (Henrietta) and enemy (Nureha). Noone is in favourite position.
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