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DonQuigleone · 2012-12-25, 10:19

Reps did motivate me to write good posts, and there was nothing quite like the hit you got from seeing that green icon in your User CP...

It would be interesting to see how posting activity changes in the next few weeks/months (if at all).

Akito Kinomoto · 2012-12-25, 11:00

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Originally Posted by NoirX

And what might "Post counts" give in effect to others than to brag that one is so active in the forum?

Active doesn't necessarily make you a quality user though. If what I want to say can be said in one sentence, I'll say it in one sentence.

Eragon · 2012-12-25, 11:08

Come on people, we have been over this already don't dredge it up again.

Dextro · 2012-12-25, 12:24

While I admit that the positive feeling one would get by getting a green box with a nice suportive message for an interesting post was good the feeling of getting a random negrep with some random (usually offensive) message put a chill to that. I'll even go as far as saying that some people might have felt less comfortable expressing dissenting views simply to avoid getting a random anonymous negrep.

So I for one welcome our new rep free animesuki overlords even if I'll miss the ease with which they allowed me to give someone a quick thumbs up for a good post. Maybe replace the old rep button with a way to post a quick VM with link back to the post (if that's even possible).

I'll add, however, that I'm not afraid in the least of any public trolling due to the removal of an outlet for that kind of stuff. Animesuki has one of the nicest communities I've seen online and the mods have been very good at keeping everything in check so far so I'm confident that everything will stay as is. I don't even know if the majority of the users knew about the rep ability.

NoirX · 2012-12-25, 13:18

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Originally Posted by Akito Kinomoto

Active doesn't necessarily make you a quality user though. If what I want to say can be said in one sentence, I'll say it in one sentence.

Which is why that people with low post counts could also be a quality one aswell. That's why post counts under your avatar shouldn't be necessary, no?

Triple_R · 2012-12-25, 13:32

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Originally Posted by Dextro

While I admit that the positive feeling one would get by getting a green box with a nice suportive message for an interesting post was good the feeling of getting a random negrep with some random (usually offensive) message put a chill to that. I'll even go as far as saying that some people might have felt less comfortable expressing dissenting views simply to avoid getting a random anonymous negrep.

So I for one welcome our new rep free animesuki overlords even if I'll miss the ease with which they allowed me to give someone a quick thumbs up for a good post. Maybe replace the old rep button with a way to post a quick VM with link back to the post (if that's even possible).

I'll add, however, that I'm not afraid in the least of any public trolling due to the removal of an outlet for that kind of stuff. Animesuki has one of the nicest communities I've seen online...

I generally agree. Of all the internet forums and message boards that I've been on, Anime Suki has definitely been the most civil, and by a significant margin.

And what was the biggest noticeable difference between Anime Suki and all those other forums? The reputation system.

It's not at all hard for me to see how a reputation system can encourage a civil internet forum.

This, as much as anything, is why I'm not convinced that losing the reputation system is a positive change for Anime Suki.

I can see this change having one or more of many possible effects. There's also a decent chance it won't change much at all.

However, it probably is a worthwhile experiment to see what this will do.

Akito Kinomoto · 2012-12-25, 14:45

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Originally Posted by NoirX

Which is why that people with low post counts could also be a quality one aswell. That's why post counts under your avatar shouldn't be necessary, no?

Exactly. The post count is already displayed in the user profile if you want it to be for ego stroking purposes.

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Originally Posted by Triple_R

I can see this change having one or more of many possible effects. There's also a decent chance it won't change much at all.

However, it probably is a worthwhile experiment to see what this will do.

I suspect more noticeable behavior from snarks and haters. Won't be giving any names.

Dextro · 2012-12-25, 15:42

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Originally Posted by Triple_R

I generally agree. Of all the internet forums and message boards that I've been on, Anime Suki has definitely been the most civil, and by a significant margin.

And what was the biggest noticeable difference between Anime Suki and all those other forums? The reputation system.

It's not at all hard for me to see how a reputation system can encourage a civil internet forum.

This, as much as anything, is why I'm not convinced that losing the reputation system is a positive change for Anime Suki.

I can see this change having one or more of many possible effects. There's also a decent chance it won't change much at all.

However, it probably is a worthwhile experiment to see what this will do.

I personally don't think it was the reputation system that was responsible for the good atmosphere on these forums. I would like to believe that the presence of plenty of older members and a good job done by the moderators are the major reasons for it.

If, however, the trolls do pop out of their caves due to the absence of a reputation system then I'm sure it'll help out in identifying them and proceed to "invite them to leave".

DonQuigleone · 2012-12-25, 15:49

I'm inclined to favor keeping things as they are (if it ain't broke...), that said I think most of the abuse that occurred involved the neg reps.

Perhaps there should be a poll with a number of options:

1. Remove reputation entirely.
2. Only remove Negative reputation.
3. Restore the old system without any changes.
4. A hypothetical "new" system.

That would indicate what most forumites would support. I do think the positive reps contributed to a "friendly" atmosphere, as it allowed users to anonymously complement other users on doing a good posts. I feel like that reinforced positive behaviour.

Neg reps, on the other hand, were usually just an avenue for passive aggressive behavior.

NoirX · 2012-12-25, 17:20

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Originally Posted by DonQuigleone

I'm inclined to favor keeping things as they are (if it ain't broke...), that said I think most of the abuse that occurred involved the neg reps.

Perhaps there should be a poll with a number of options:

1. Remove reputation entirely.
2. Only remove Negative reputation.
3. Restore the old system without any changes.
4. A hypothetical "new" system.

That would indicate what most forumites would support. I do think the positive reps contributed to a "friendly" atmosphere, as it allowed users to anonymously complement other users on doing a good posts. I feel like that reinforced positive behaviour.

Neg reps, on the other hand, were usually just an avenue for passive aggressive behavior.

I think option number 2 would be out of question though. The abuse of the rep system isn't only limited to negative rep, it also applies to the positive rep. While it's quite sad that the rep has been erased, option 3 would also be meaningless as to why would you remove it in the first place if it'll just come back and the same abuse happenning all over again. So that leaves us with option 1 and 4 I guess and I will most likely choose 4.

DonQuigleone · 2012-12-25, 17:46

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Originally Posted by NoirX

I think option number 2 would be out of question though. The abuse of the rep system isn't only limited to negative rep, it also applies to the positive rep. While it's quite sad that the rep has been erased, option 3 would also be meaningless as to why would you remove it in the first place if it'll just come back and the same abuse happenning all over again. So that leaves us with option 1 and 4 I guess and I will most likely choose 4.

I'm not convinced that the abuses associated with positive rep were so egregious. No hurt was ever really caused by people positive repping one another. Any negatives due to "cliques" (though I think cliques would form regardless of reputation), were outweighed by the positives.

As for option 3, I don't personally agree with it, but some users might want it. They should be able to express that opinion.

They should probably implement the new system, allow users to see what it's like then have a poll after a few months to collect opinion about the future course on this issue.

NoirX · 2012-12-25, 18:35

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Originally Posted by DonQuigleone

I'm not convinced that the abuses associated with positive rep were so egregious. No hurt was ever really caused by people positive repping one another. Any negatives due to "cliques" (though I think cliques would form regardless of reputation), were outweighed by the positives.

As for option 3, I don't personally agree with it, but some users might want it. They should be able to express that opinion.

They should probably implement the new system, allow users to see what it's like then have a poll after a few months to collect opinion about the future course on this issue.

Actually, spamming positive rep with one alt-account is possible. A newly created acc can give around 15 rep points(tested it myself just for this occassion sometime ago). So basically just give your main acc a positive rep of 15 points, give good/bad rep to other random people and the you can re-rep your main acc with 15 points and repeat the cycle. Thats how some people abuse their high rep(not saying who of course).

Guardian Enzo · 2012-12-25, 20:02

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Originally Posted by Triple_R

I generally agree. Of all the internet forums and message boards that I've been on, Anime Suki has definitely been the most civil, and by a significant margin.

And what was the biggest noticeable difference between Anime Suki and all those other forums? The reputation system.

It's not at all hard for me to see how a reputation system can encourage a civil internet forum.

This, as much as anything, is why I'm not convinced that losing the reputation system is a positive change for Anime Suki.

I can see this change having one or more of many possible effects. There's also a decent chance it won't change much at all.

However, it probably is a worthwhile experiment to see what this will do.

This, pretty much. Let me give you some rep for such a good post. Oh, wait...

I think in the end, the rep system made Animesuki more civil, not less. It was incentive to make good posts, and deterrent to troll. I hate to see the fact that there are a few bad apples in the barrel ruin it for everybody, but that's how these things always seem to work.

I think the salient point is, this is really the only anime forum I frequent, because it's considerably more civil than the others. And it was the only one with a rep system.

NoemiChan · 2012-12-25, 20:23

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Originally Posted by DonQuigleone

I'm inclined to favor keeping things as they are (if it ain't broke...), that said I think most of the abuse that occurred involved the neg reps.

Perhaps there should be a poll with a number of options:

1. Remove reputation entirely.
2. Only remove Negative reputation.
3. Restore the old system without any changes.
4. A hypothetical "new" system.

That would indicate what most forumites would support. I do think the positive reps contributed to a "friendly" atmosphere, as it allowed users to anonymously complement other users on doing a good posts. I feel like that reinforced positive behaviour.

Neg reps, on the other hand, were usually just an avenue for passive aggressive behavior.

A poll will likely be to know peoples' general view in a democratic way...

sa547 · 2012-12-25, 21:44

I still have remnants of penalties/infractions that I was heaped with several years ago.

Qilin · 2012-12-25, 23:17

I'm glad.

Regardless of its original purpose, it had somehow evolved into a bit of a griefing vector over the years. It's going to be sad without looking forward to anymore encouraging blurbs, but if it means the end of anonymous name-calling and insults, I'm all for it.

Dhomochevsky · 2012-12-26, 08:23

So reputation was frozen, huh?
After some 'controversial' political posts, I was wondering why no bad rep was rolling in, as it usually was inevitably the case.

I guess this answers that.

totoum · 2012-12-26, 08:32

I honestly would be quite disappointed if the rep system was a major factor in keeping the forum civil since I would hope people would naturally be civil to each other, the rules say "Insults, harassment, flaming, trolling, baiting or other similar abusive behaviour towards other members of The Forum will not be tolerated." I almost never used neg rep because nearly everytime I felt like neg reping a post it was a post that broke the rules so I just reported it to the mods instead.

And if a troll was scared off by a rep system and that kept him from trolling then I'd say he's a failure as a troll.

Cosmic Eagle · 2012-12-26, 09:09

No...the rep system doesn't keep this place civil, since few here actually outright troll without being reported. It just acts as censorship by keeping people from airing their views. I mean, when merely pointing out how a certain ex-doujinsoft VN company is now purely commercialized earns you god knows how much spam you know something's horribly wrong.

All it does is bury the waste where no one can actually see. Civil? The rep system made this place one of the ugliest on the inside.

If the system were still around, I'm sure I'd get insulted the next day on my user CP for the above post.

Westlo · 2012-12-26, 09:33

Look at Gundam age as an example of people not posting what they think.... Quite a few posters stopped posting negative opinions of the show because a combination of constant neg reps and/or dropping the show because it sucked.

Also the thought of rep systems keeping things civil on forums is hilarious, you should've seen the coli before they too got rid of their rep system.

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Dextro He Without a Title Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The land of tempura	While I admit that the positive feeling one would get by getting a green box with a nice suportive message for an interesting post was good the feeling of getting a random negrep with some random (usually offensive) message put a chill to that. I'll even go as far as saying that some people might have felt less comfortable expressing dissenting views simply to avoid getting a random anonymous negrep. So I for one welcome our new rep free animesuki overlords even if I'll miss the ease with which they allowed me to give someone a quick thumbs up for a good post. Maybe replace the old rep button with a way to post a quick VM with link back to the post (if that's even possible). I'll add, however, that I'm not afraid in the least of any public trolling due to the removal of an outlet for that kind of stuff. Animesuki has one of the nicest communities I've seen online and the mods have been very good at keeping everything in check so far so I'm confident that everything will stay as is. I don't even know if the majority of the users knew about the rep ability. __________________

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sa547 Senior Member Author Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Philippines Age: 47	I still have remnants of penalties/infractions that I was heaped with several years ago. __________________

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Qilin Romanticist Join Date: Aug 2009 Age: 33	I'm glad. Regardless of its original purpose, it had somehow evolved into a bit of a griefing vector over the years. It's going to be sad without looking forward to anymore encouraging blurbs, but if it means the end of anonymous name-calling and insults, I'm all for it. __________________ "There’s an up higher than up, but at the very top, down is all there is."

2012-12-26, 08:32	Link #438
totoum Me at work Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Dublin, Ireland Age: 36	I honestly would be quite disappointed if the rep system was a major factor in keeping the forum civil since I would hope people would naturally be civil to each other, the rules say "Insults, harassment, flaming, trolling, baiting or other similar abusive behaviour towards other members of The Forum will not be tolerated." I almost never used neg rep because nearly everytime I felt like neg reping a post it was a post that broke the rules so I just reported it to the mods instead. And if a troll was scared off by a rep system and that kept him from trolling then I'd say he's a failure as a troll. __________________

2012-12-25, 10:19	Link #421
DonQuigleone Knight Errant Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dublin, Ireland Age: 35	Reps did motivate me to write good posts, and there was nothing quite like the hit you got from seeing that green icon in your User CP... It would be interesting to see how posting activity changes in the next few weeks/months (if at all).

2012-12-25, 15:49	Link #429
DonQuigleone Knight Errant Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dublin, Ireland Age: 35	I'm inclined to favor keeping things as they are (if it ain't broke...), that said I think most of the abuse that occurred involved the neg reps. Perhaps there should be a poll with a number of options: 1. Remove reputation entirely. 2. Only remove Negative reputation. 3. Restore the old system without any changes. 4. A hypothetical "new" system. That would indicate what most forumites would support. I do think the positive reps contributed to a "friendly" atmosphere, as it allowed users to anonymously complement other users on doing a good posts. I feel like that reinforced positive behaviour. Neg reps, on the other hand, were usually just an avenue for passive aggressive behavior.

2012-12-26, 08:23	Link #437
Dhomochevsky temporary safeguard Join Date: May 2004 Location: Germany	So reputation was frozen, huh? After some 'controversial' political posts, I was wondering why no bad rep was rolling in, as it usually was inevitably the case. I guess this answers that.

2012-12-26, 09:09	Link #439
Cosmic Eagle 今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている Join Date: Jan 2009	No...the rep system doesn't keep this place civil, since few here actually outright troll without being reported. It just acts as censorship by keeping people from airing their views. I mean, when merely pointing out how a certain ex-doujinsoft VN company is now purely commercialized earns you god knows how much spam you know something's horribly wrong. All it does is bury the waste where no one can actually see. Civil? The rep system made this place one of the ugliest on the inside. If the system were still around, I'm sure I'd get insulted the next day on my user CP for the above post. __________________

2012-12-26, 09:33	Link #440
Westlo Lets be reality Join Date: May 2007	Look at Gundam age as an example of people not posting what they think.... Quite a few posters stopped posting negative opinions of the show because a combination of constant neg reps and/or dropping the show because it sucked. Also the thought of rep systems keeping things civil on forums is hilarious, you should've seen the coli before they too got rid of their rep system.