Code Geass R2 - Episode 19 Discussion / Poll

[Liddo-kun]

Originally Posted by haiz123321

Omg I can't bring myself to hate Rolo anymore. I guess Suzaku, Kallen and Schnizel could tell Lelouch was lying when he said those bad stuff. Anyway, i wonder hows he's gonna rise from the ashes. Maybe Anya, Gino and Suzaku will be joining him? Suzaku's laugh at the end = EPIC WIN

Originally Posted by skyless

That is Lulu's specialty. <3

Yes, he's going to get back at them for sure - Schneizel and Charles that is.
And probably teach the Black knights that they can't stand up to Brittania on their own as well. ^^

[mr.questionguy]

Originally Posted by liddo-kun

yes, he's going to get back at them for sure - schneizel and charles that is.
And probably teach the black knights that they can't stand up to brittania on their own as well. ^^

all hail.....lelouch!!! ^.^

[danny20]

I'm really disapointed with kallen.
She knows lelouch the best and still didn't see tru his lies.
and walks away to let him die.
Even after he says 'live on' only thing she does is stare watching lelouch die.
If it wasn't for Rolo(my new hero) lelouch would have died.

[scifijimmy]

I'm trying to find out when Lelouch became aware of Freya. Does anyone remember when this was?

[animeboy12]

Originally Posted by danny20

I'm really disapointed with kallen.
She knows lelouch the best and still didn't see tru his lies.
and walks away to let him die.
Even after he says 'live on' only thing she does is stare watching lelouch die.
If it wasn't for Rolo(my new hero) lelouch would have died.

the best? I don't think so

[mr.questionguy]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

he did it to save kallen
she just told him she's willing to die with him
if he didnt lie she would have

nono what i meant was why didnt he tell the order of the black knights that he DIDNT use geass on any of them(btw he didnt did he?)and that when he used it on Euphemia it was out of control and he didnt do it on purpose??the same goes with suzaku.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by mr.questionguy

nono what i meant was why didnt he tell the order of the black knights that he DIDNT use geass on any of them(btw he didnt did he?)and that when he used it on Euphemia it was out of control and he didnt do it on purpose??the same goes with suzaku.

I don't think even Kallen knows the full details about the Euphie incident. Also, it is still his fault. making a really bad joke about killing Japanese is still not funny at all.

And again, it wasn't the fact they may be under Geass' control. It was everything else and how they were played for fools and used like... well... rags that did it.

[Tokkan]

Originally Posted by mr.questionguy

nono what i meant was why didnt he tell the order of the black knights that he DIDNT use geass on any of them(btw he didnt did he?)and that when he used it on Euphemia it was out of control and he didnt do it on purpose??the same goes with suzaku.

Because he's stubborn and believes he deserves punishment? Because it was his choice to become evil to defeat evil?

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Tokkan

Because he's stubborn and believes he deserves punishment? Because it was his choice to become evil to defeat evil?

Hehehehehe... Oh I love this....
Now Suzaku-bashers pretty much lose their greatest ammo.

[Franckisted]

Originally Posted by scifijimmy

I'm trying to find out when Lelouch became aware of Freya. Does anyone remember when this was?

At the very beginning when Suzaku told him "surrender, I have a highly tactial warhead" or something like that. Lelouch didn't believe him "like hell i'm gonna believe you now, you traitor".

[Tokkan]

Originally Posted by Orga777

Hehehehehe... Oh I love this....
Now Suzaku-bashers pretty much lose their greatest ammo.

I think the big difference is that Lelouch selflessly wants to die while Suzaku selfishly wants to die.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Tokkan

I think the big difference is that Lelouch selflessly wants to die while Suzaku selfishly wants to die.

Except that is utter bullshit.

[bladeofdarkness]

also when he noticed that shnizel was there he understood that there was no way out of it
so he choose to do the only thing he could which was to save kallen

[scifijimmy]

Thanks Frackisted. Oh course anyone as highly motivated a lelouch wouldn't surrender under the idea it was a bluff.

[Var]

Originally Posted by Orga777

Except that is utter bullshit.

No... I think that sums them up pretty well. Lelouch wants to die out of a selfish reason but he does it selflessly, not taking anyone with him and shouldering the blame as he goes down in flames. Suzaku wants to die out of a selfish reason but he does so selfishly by taking everyone and their dog with him to hell.

[JShaggy]

Originally Posted by haiz123321

Omg I can't bring myself to hate Rolo anymore. I guess Suzaku, Kallen and Schnizel could tell Lelouch was lying when he said those bad stuff. Anyway, i wonder hows he's gonna rise from the ashes. Maybe Anya, Gino and Suzaku will be joining him? Suzaku's laugh at the end = EPIC WIN

I'm not one who likes to believe in wishful thinking, but the following, IMO, would need to happen in the next episode for Lelouch to have a fighting chance (this is all speculation, BTW):

1. Obviously, if the preview provides any indication of such, some personal feelings and doubts are going to come forward within the OotBK for better or for worse. While the BK are at pretty much a disadvantage, what the Britannian Empire does next could sway them one way or the other.

2. Whatever the Ragnarok project is supposed to be could shift things into "final battle" mode. I really hope they tell us what that is exactly in the next episode or two if they haven't fully talked about it already

3. Lelouch pretty much has no one to turn to, so just rebuilding an army is going to be very difficult for him with Britannia and the Black Knights after his head. Something major is going to have to happen for him to take center stage again, and possibly lead a new rebellion against Schneizel and Emperor Charles.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Var

No... I think that sums them up pretty well. Lelouch wants to die out of a selfish reason but he does it selflessly, not taking anyone with him and shouldering the blame as he goes down in flames. Suzaku wants to die out of a selfish reason but he does so selfishly by taking everyone and their dog with him to hell.

Um... WHAT? Suzaku doesn't want to take ANYBODY down with him. And when doesn't Suzaku shoulder the blame? He ALWAYS blames himself. Suzaku may want to die, but he has no plans on wanting to take anybody with him. Where the hell are you getting this rubbish? Var, come on. You are better than this. I expected better....

[mr.questionguy]

mmkaay thanks,i guess im satisfied with certain......uncomfortabilities in the episode,but it was definatly a kick ass one!cant wait for ep20,btw code geass R2 has 22 and not 25 episodes?i checked on wiki,i just love the last ep title,dont read if u dont want to spoil ^.^

[prototype_sky]

Originally Posted by Tokkan

I think the big difference is that Lelouch selflessly wants to die while Suzaku selfishly wants to die.

BS Season 1 quote from Suzaku "If I die i wish to die in service of the people" episode 4 as he was heading back to his trial

Lelouch selfishly wanted to die now to join his sister.

[Dream_Traveller]

No, it has 25. Summaries only up to Turn 22 have been released.