2010-06-17, 13:32 | Link #11222 |
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She didn't say it sounded like a female voice. She said she couldn't rule out the possibility it was a female since the person sounded young. What's more important is that the caller switched between how he said "I" in japanese. He says "ore" in one call and watashi (I think) in another. So one of the callers should be George (since he always uses ore) the other caller could be Battler or Rudolf.
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2010-06-17, 14:09 | Link #11226 |
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It is said that Jessica mostly speaks like a guy, so she might sound like a man on the telephone. Does she then talk with 'ore' as well, as I'm under the impression that is kind of manly/rude manner of speech. And Natsuhi is always so strict about it anyways, maybe to her the first thought of anyone speaking like a man is a man. It is probably 'watashi' for Jessica though...
But is it hinted anywhere that someone could alter his voice or practically fake someone else? Over the telephone it is probably easier, more if there is some noise mixed in. Telephones probably didn't have the greatest quality then. And some peculiar discussion was through telephones, EP4 being the worst of course. |
2010-06-17, 14:38 | Link #11228 |
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Yeah, Jessica uses "watashi", not "ore" - that pronoun can usually be interpreted as asserting the speaker's manliness . It's pretty rare for a woman to use "ore", even if she talks rudely (which generally makes you sound like a guy in Japan - and in a lot of other countries, come to think of it - no matter what your intent).
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2010-06-17, 15:08 | Link #11229 | |
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Actually, considering that the best example of a doctor I remember from Japanese fiction that actually reaches me is Doctor Blackjack, who's crowning phrase is "We shall make an artificial anus!", well... It makes me think that either Japanese fiction writers generally lack medical knowledge and don't consider it worth researching seriously because it's too hard, or that medicine itself in Japan is not very much up to par in reality, and I heard various opinions that suggest the latter might be true. That's something I'd rather hear a native with experience on both shores of the Pacific confirm or deny. Either way we don't really know, so Nanjo will have to go unpunished for the moment. But that Nanjo Jr. is actually not terribly fond of his father might very well be true. You generally don't approve of people which present you with temptation even if that temptation improves you in the end by you not giving in to it. Even if he doesn't explicitly blame his father for that temptation, this is where it came from.
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2010-06-17, 15:10 | Link #11230 |
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That I know of only Battler and Rudolf use "Ore" among the persons that are on Rokkenjima.
Then outside that there's also Juuza. However what is really important imho is that "boku". The fact that initially the man from 19 years before used "ore" could be part of the disguise. I think we can be almost certain that this person doesn't want to make her identity be known, so using a different way to speak is certainly a good idea. So the problem is that if this person is used to say "ore", then I can't really imagine why suddenly uses "boku". Even if we suppose that this person original plan was to use "boku" for this character, he'd better keep using "ore" for consistence sake. There's no point in using "boku" after you have already used "ore" this would just make you look suspicious. So it's a lot more probable that the slip happened later (provided it is a slip), which means that this person is most probably used to use "boku". Clearly Kanon is a major suspect here, and not just for this reason alone.
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2010-06-17, 15:16 | Link #11231 | |
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Instead though, I'd pin it on George because he already seems to have an interest in Natsuhi's room that was shown clearly in EP2. It *may* be about the mirror... it may have been something else... (Was he was investigating the existence of the explosion?) |
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And as far as I can see the existence of that baby is immediately forgotten in Ep6. Quote:
Though, if the meta-characters aren't 'born' but 'created' instead, that might actually fit smoothly, then the sister-brother relationship is inherited from their physical prototypes... And to be fair, just who the phrase "I am the Golden Witch, Beatrice" really refers to in that exchange?... I don't think there's any way for Battler to be one year older without Asumu's knowing cooperation, but seeing as she is an exclusively off-screen existence, there's no reason why she could not have offered it...
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2010-06-17, 15:29 | Link #11233 | |
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Alternatively, what he's really looking for is the family photo album, because if one exists, that's where it would be. Mothers like showing other people their children's embarrassing baby pictures. Children generally avoid being anywhere close to the album and fathers don't care that much. That Is The Rule. There's a lot of things that could be discovered from that photo album that we don't know and the characters may not remember. For example the very likely fact that Jessica was a flat-chested loli in childhood and only dyed her hair recently... that is, once she grew a worthy bust, which was the other component of Battler's declared ideal...
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2010-06-17, 15:33 | Link #11234 | |
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We don't need that, we know already:
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2010-06-17, 15:46 | Link #11235 |
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We do, but I was mostly referring to the hair color. While there is an argument that Jessica is just drawn blonde, I'm not sure it's a very good one -- every other character has a realistic hair color for a native Japanese within reasonable artistic boundaries, but for Jessica those boundaries would be unnaturally relaxed. The exceptions are Krauss (who is old enough to be simply partially but not fully greying) and the Sumaderas together with Amakusa (who may all be genetically depigmented for one reason or another). But Jessica is at the age where she can get away with hair dye and 80s is the era when it's coming into fashion.
Also, if a confirmation of the pony theory exists on the island, that photo album is also the most likely place to look for it. P.S. Forgot Rosa, who is a bit lighter than she really should be -- but she's still within the artistic spectrum.
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2010-06-17, 16:02 | Link #11236 |
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well then what about Battler's and Ange's bright red hair?
If you ask me, the only one who can be said to have realistic hair colors (for japanese people) are Kinzo, Nanjo, Kumasawa, Genji, Rudolf, George, Hideyoshi and Gohda. everyone else in the island either dyed his hair or is just drawn that way. EDIT: Actually, if Jessica dyed his hairs I think Battler would have noticed. It would be too strange if he didn't make even the slightest mention after seeing her after 6 years with such bright blonde hairs. I am veeery doubtful that Jessica used to dye her hair at 12. She was too young, it was 1980 and Japan wasn't ready yet to see kids that young with blonde hairs. Natsuhi would never allow that. The school would probably not allow that. So no, I'm 99% sure she has black hair in reality.
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2010-06-17, 16:23 | Link #11237 |
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I would agree wholeheartedly if hair colour was actually never mentioned in the text itself. But it is.
Well, it's not like it's a point worth seriously arguing over anyway.
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2010-06-17, 16:40 | Link #11238 |
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2010-06-17, 16:44 | Link #11239 | |
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