(L+CR) Hitsugi no Chaika (Coffin Princess Chaika) [seasons 1 & 2]

[Esclair]

Originally Posted by Key Board

she represents the overpowered NPC that doesn't really officially join your party until late in the game?

Usually by that time they're no longer overpowered compared to your party, or vastly nerfed to be 'balanced'.

I wonder which one will happen here.

[Key Board]

or maybe she's ThunderGod Cid

[Dawnstorm]

Originally Posted by jcdietz03

Maybe you won't be able to make good use of it, but I will provide this link (knowledge of kana required).

Thank you for the link and also especially for your excellent explanation.

I have only one little question left:

So now "gi" of hitsugi makes sense. It is second, so it can use the voiced reading of 姫.

What doesn't make sense is 棺 (coffin).
kunyomi: hitsugi
onyomi: kan

So the pronunciation of 棺 is "hitsugi". So I'd expect either:

Hitsugi-gi

or

Hitsugi-ki

Can you blend an entire word into the last syllable of the first word, if the syllables are identical? Or are there other "merging rules"?

Doesn't it seem to you that Frederica could wipe the floor with the entire party? What are her reasons for staying with Toru & Chaika?

I have this theory that she's actually really the cat. I mean look at her behaviour. If you ever had a cat you'll regonise that behaviour: wandering off at will, playful obsession with killing things... Probably a magical cat, because she can fly and get really heavy, but I suspect the Dragoon is part of a bluff.

I'm half-serious. I really do think her behaviour is very cat-like. And her cat-form feels the most natural to me. (She also said "it's the form your looking for" when she turned into the dragoon, IIRC.)

[Death Usagi]

Originally Posted by TheEroKing

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Fans sure love her, artworks keep coming

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And all of them are nearly bondage themed =w=;

[HandofFate]

Frederica is like a "Auto-Escape from Battle" summon that has a long cooldown, so Toru can only use her like once a month.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by HandofFate

Frederica is like a "Auto-Escape from Battle" summon that has a long cooldown, so Toru can only use her like once a month.

Except when he uses her to escape from battle rather than letting her fight he incurs a penalty of -10 points to his relationship values with her. If he keeps this up, not only will he not be able to clear the Frederica route, but she might turn on him and he'll get the Bad End.

[jcdietz03]

Originally Posted by Dawnstorm

So the pronunciation of 棺 is "hitsugi". So I'd expect either:

Hitsugi-gi

or

Hitsugi-ki

Can you blend an entire word into the last syllable of the first word, if the syllables are identical? Or are there other "merging rules"?

You are missing something key: There are two pronunciations for 棺. "kan" is the onyomi and should be used when it appears together with other kanji. "hitsugi" should be used when it appears alone or only with other kana. So I would expect "kangi" rather than what you posted. I suspect the author thought hitsugi sounded cooler and I have to agree with this decision. There's no merging rules that I know of. The author thought it sounded cooler, so that's what he wrote. He is actually breaking standard rules by using half kunyomi and half onyomi in the same word, not to mention "cutting off" the reading of 棺 (hitsu is not a standard reading of this character).

It's important to note 棺姫 is a made up word and thus can be pronounced however the author wants.

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo

TBH, I think Frederica is basically a reminder that in case you forgot, this is a LN. The series is generally light on LN tropes, but she's like a concession to reality. And because Sakaki is better than most LN writers, she's a better example than most of what she represents.

I don't think this show is "light on LN tropes". Actualy if I was one of these people who use word "generic" as insult, I would complain about HnCh non-stop. For my cat sake! Chaika is loli moeblob personification of second most used trope in LN (first would be incest seeking sister..... oh, wait!! (well I rooting for Akari so I am fine with that this time).

Polyphonica was less sugestive, Scrapped princess was almost void of these, Outbreak company... well, it had some original ideas. I like Chaika, but what I don't need is MORE reminders than it already has. Though as long as it is relatively well written I don't mind more LN cliches in particular.

[Dawnstorm]

Originally Posted by jcdietz03

not to mention "cutting off" the reading of 棺 (hitsu is not a standard reading of this character).

It's the cutting-off that confused me. I suppose it's basically a pun, then. (I could easily imagine the author hearing "hitsugi" and notice the "gi", and that would spawn the character, and that would spawn the novels...)

Thank you again. I find this very interesting. (Also, I should have probably said: "Given that I know he's mixing kun- and onyomi, I should expect..." Your explanations were very easy to understand. )

[jeroz]

I don't really think Akari is a sister character anymore, it's more of her own delusion to make her love seems more forbidden and exciting. She's the overly-attached insane osananajimi

[Guardian Enzo]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

I don't think this show is "light on LN tropes". Actualy if I was one of these people who use word "generic" as insult, I would complain about HnCh non-stop. For my cat sake! Chaika is loli moeblob personification of second most used trope in LN (first would be incest seeking sister..... oh, wait!! (well I rooting for Akari so I am fine with that this time).

Polyphonica was less sugestive, Scrapped princess was almost void of these, Outbreak company... well, it had some original ideas. I like Chaika, but what I don't need is MORE reminders than it already has. Though as long as it is relatively well written I don't mind more LN cliches in particular.

I don't really see it that way. I think it plays much more as a manga adaptation, or - to be honest - something taken straight from a D & D module.

[ellessarr]

i could be wrong(LN readers can know better), but the fact of the poor development or usage of fredirica is more because of the way their are handly the adaptation, i'm really believe the problem here is the "rush" i can say for 100% sure a lot of important info and character development/background was skipped, specially for the main cast, mc, akari, chaika and frederica, their are cuting too much info and probably most of frederica actions, their are basically trying to focus only on the mission of take back her father parts, we are missing a lot of info in this adaptation and probably here is where lie the big problem, for the sake of finish the history in 2 cours of 12 episodes their just are putting what their feel is needed and just skip what their feel dont need(many, many things) and make "changes for that big snoll ball miss dont look "so big" as this must be looking now based on the pace of the anime.

i hard believe we gonna se proper development for any character before the second season and even in the second.

summarizing i believe who the fault of lack of proper screentime/development of many characters here(even main cast) is not the novel writer fault but anime adaptation fault because afar i was following the manga i can say who the characters have much, much more, much more development indeeper than what we are seeying in anime.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Dawnstorm

I have this theory that she's actually really the cat. I mean look at her behaviour. If you ever had a cat you'll regonise that behaviour: wandering off at will, playful obsession with killing things... Probably a magical cat, because she can fly and get really heavy, but I suspect the Dragoon is part of a bluff.

I'm half-serious. I really do think her behaviour is very cat-like. And her cat-form feels the most natural to me. (She also said "it's the form your looking for" when she turned into the dragoon, IIRC.)

I took it to mean she had no "real" form. The giant lizard thing is just her go-to form for combat because it's what's expected of her.

[Dawnstorm]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

I took it to mean she had no "real" form. The giant lizard thing is just her go-to form for combat because it's what's expected of her.

That's quite plausible.

I do wonder how much a dragoon is like all the other magical creatures we've seen that keep chanting spells when they attack.

[Anime Online]

Federica is just a convenient way for the story to move in whatever direction it wants. If the story needs to spirit Tooru away from danger, Federica will come to the rescue! But if the story needs Tooru to go risk his hide, Federica will do a magic disappearance trick or go on a tantrum and refuse to help. The inconsistency is simply hand-waved away as the capricious nature of felines.

[NinjaRealist]

Originally Posted by Anime Online

Federica is just a convenient way for the story to move in whatever direction it wants. If the story needs to spirit Tooru away from danger, Federica will come to the rescue! But if the story needs Tooru to go risk his hide, Federica will do a magic disappearance trick or go on a tantrum and refuse to help. The inconsistency is simply hand-waved away as the capricious nature of felines.

On the other hand, loli-dragon-cats are pretty awesome, are they not?

[Kaengel]

Originally Posted by NinjaRealist

On the other hand, loli-dragon-cats are pretty awesome, are they not?

Of course they are. When I first saw Frederica going from a dragon form to loli form to cat form, I was greatly pleased

[ID555]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

In my headcannon Akari was out of question, because she simply would NEVER beatray him and he knows it so ilusion just gave up. And noone can talk me out of it.

I agree that's possible.

[NinjaRealist]

Originally Posted by Arlia

Of course they are. When I first saw Frederica going from a dragon form to loli form to cat form, I was greatly pleased

No character should have all that tag

[Anh_Minh]

Oh, come on. She isn't even a vampire. And she's not wearing a school swimsuit under a sailor uniform with glasses.