2010-12-27, 17:25 | Link #1861 | |
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2010-12-27, 18:34 | Link #1862 | |
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@Kanon As for "high principles" being nothing but a lie, I personally think he was always wavering. The turning point was when he saw the aftermath of Toshio's experimentation on his wife.
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2010-12-27, 22:00 | Link #1863 |
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That's a misconception. He can pack his bags and walk away at any time. He's blaming his impotence/lack of balls on the village. So what if they have to bring in another monk to replace him? He's suppose to be happy with what he does in life.
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2010-12-28, 08:31 | Link #1865 | |
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As addition if what Kanon says is true (can't remember if the anime said it either) then he really doesn't care about his position or, what the villagers think of him. So really, why take the bloody way out if it can be avoided? Is he some sort of Nihilist? |
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2010-12-28, 09:21 | Link #1866 | |
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Also, think about it: has Seishin ever been saddened, angered, or moved at all by the deaths throughout the series? Toshio may have his flaws, but he strikes me as being a lot more human than Seishin.
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2010-12-28, 09:55 | Link #1867 | ||
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The most plausible way, probably the only way, for him to get out would have been to kill himself. That's what he didn't have the courage to try a second time (I do wonder what happened the first time, i.e. who saved him and whether that had a bearing on his not trying again). Also, I wouldn't say that he's blaming the village for his choosing to stay. He's just made his choices based on the actions he can and cannot condone. In one sense, in choosing not to kill anyone, he's making a choice very similar to Rit-chan's. Just a thought: what do you think Rit-chan would have done had she not been turned? I know that a lot of people here would say that going to the Kirishiki mansion, and later providing blood to Tatsumi (IIRC, this hasn't been shown in the manga...) means Seishin's prioritising the lives of the Shiki. However, looking at his occupation (a monk) and the situation he found Toshio in (basically defiling the body of a person), I can see why he chose not to follow the human side in the end. Unlike so many of the other characters, Seishin is actually conflicted for most of the series, which is precisely what makes him interesting to me. edit: Quote:
edit 2: I thought it was weird. There seems to be a page missing in the scanlation of chapter 12 (chapter 14 in some places). The page between 28 and 29 is missing. Er...it's an important one and I'd translate it, but I'm not sure how much leeway we have to talk about it here? And before anyone argues that Seishin went to the Shiki side right there and then, please note that he didn't do anything for a good 2-3 weeks (see dates in my post above).
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2010-12-28, 11:30 | Link #1868 | ||
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I'd love to see that missing page. I think it'd be okay to post the translation under spoiler tag. It's from a very old chapter after all.
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2010-12-28, 21:52 | Link #1869 | |
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I've checked the anime (ep 11), and there were a few changes - lines left out and stuff. Also, this is just my own rough translation (not directly referring to what's already available but possibly remembering some of it). From Toshio's accusation on p.g.28 : dialogue : [thoughts] Spoiler for chapter 12/14 missing page translation:
The very next scene, Seishin meets Sunako again, and tells her that he thinks she's a Shiki. I get the impression that he was hoping that she'd attack him, but she decides against it. Next time Seishin and Toshio speak is about Ikumi (the crazy pink-haired old woman). After that, Seishin calls Toshio when his father suddenly demands to see Tokujiro (and he learns of the attack on Kyouko)... Basically, a lot of things happen between Setsuko's death and the next time Seishin and Toshio meet. To me, that scene at the grave is the point where Seishin is confronted with what's bothering him, the darkness in his heart that's existed at least his university days, when he wanted to live his own life. He spends a fair amount of time pondering it, and the roles and duties of other members of the village, over the next few days, and seems to decide that his place is in the village, that he should do what he can to help. But then he walks in to see what Toshio has done and decides that he doesn't want to have a part in it. And as I mentioned before, a fair amount of time passes before Seishin decides to go to Sunako, and that trigger is actually Seishin discovering the contents of his father's letter. So, two turning points, if you wish. But I think the more important one was probably Seishin walking in on the end of Toshio's experiments. --- You know, if Rit-chan had seen that, I think she would have walked out on Toshio too.
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2010-12-28, 21:58 | Link #1870 |
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It makes kind of a lot more sense now than it did before. I can sort of understand him better, it throws a lot of his actions in a whole new light. I get the feeling that the anime leaves out a lot of little bits like, little bits that could be very important. Am I right?
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2010-12-28, 22:08 | Link #1871 | |
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2010-12-29, 12:27 | Link #1872 | |
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I agree Rit-chan would have also walked out on Toshio if she had seen what he did. Most people would have. Only someone with a very rational mind would readily accept his actions; or the opposite: someone blinded by sadness and rage, like the villagers right now.
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2010-12-29, 13:40 | Link #1873 |
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I think they'd been more disturbed he did that to his wife. I think it would have been excepted by more ppl if it was some joe shmo he did that to. So yeah i think if it was some stranger Rit-chan prolly could have excepted it then
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2010-12-30, 00:54 | Link #1877 | |
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Thanks for that bit of info Karice, I still don't like Seishin joining the Shiki (they really aren't much better than humans) but at least he's more understandable. He's also fortunate to have choice in the matter compared to the poor sods who were forced to "turn" or die.
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2010-12-30, 05:36 | Link #1879 | |
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I finally had the chance to marathon through this series, and I must say, it has been quite entertaining. I only read discussions in this thread for episode 21 on, so please excuse any repeats.
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As far as I know from the sources I read, it airs on the 30th in Japan, so not quite New Years Eve yet.
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