(L) Date A Live [Light Novel]

[Shinhwa]

Reine is actually last LOL

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Marly

How did they fail in the first place? It's already been established that no one can really stop the spacequakes from happening (hence the mass evacuation), which is the main reason the AST are after the spirits in the first place.

It isn't about the spacequakes. Those could be solved if they killed the spirits. And if that's the main reason they were after them they never would have attacked Miku or Kurumi who no longer cause them.

Originally Posted by Marly

Yes, but how does this actually affect the storytelling? Restating those points really doesn't include anything new as far as character development/plot is concerned. The viewers know that Origami is obsessed and that she was already powerless against Tohka as seen in episode 2 when she got wrecked in a single slash. Besides, by that same logic- It could also be seen as Tohka being too depressed over Shidou to fight Origami properly.

If the humans can fight effectively against spirits then Ratatoskr isn't needed. Preferable morally (from our perspective) but still essentially butting in on a legitimate military operation.

In the anime the AST fights effectively (sort of) against the spirits. At least the sword fights seem like Origami can hold up to non-berserk Tohka. In the LN the AST incorporate the fact that they can't win in their combat doctrine. They are expressedly forbidden from directly engaging a spirit, instead they are to keep it from moving until it becomes "lost".

Origami defies orders several times in order to openly fight spirits, which get her reprimanded and eventually suspended temporarily iirc.

Yoshino deliberately splits her own personality to protect the people trying to kill her. This doesn't make sense without the huge power difference.

Originally Posted by Marly

Thematically, maybe. Personally I believe the whole difference in strength is just re-emphasizing the power spirits have over humans since spacequakes are already a thing, so I don't see how it serves as anything more than a redundant expression.

Because it affects the characters. Yes, it smacks you over the face with how helpless the humans are, but that actually makes up a good deal of the character development. Hell, all of Kurumi and Yoshinos arcs are devoted to that difference in power.

[Znail]

In the novel so are AST not there to save anyone or to actually accomplish anything, they just put up a show to keep their funding. In the anime it seems like the Spirits are only alive due to AST not having caught them yet,

[Marly]

Originally Posted by XFire

It isn't about the spacequakes. Those could be solved if they killed the spirits. And if that's the main reason they were after them they never would have attacked Miku or Kurumi who no longer cause them.

I never said it was about the spacequakes- I said that the fact that Seireis are capable of causing spacequakes alone is enough to establish them as legitimate threats. Just because the show didn't portray Tohka 'as powerful' as she was described in the LNs doesn't really make that threat any less legitimate.

Originally Posted by XFire

If the humans can fight effectively against spirits then Ratatoskr isn't needed. Preferable morally (from our perspective) but still essentially butting in on a legitimate military operation.

But the humans are clearly not fighting effectively- Otherwise, they would've killed the Seireis already. Just from the first two episodes, it was shown to the viewers that AST is just as helpless as they are in the light novels. I really don't get it- This is pretty much like complaining about how some DBZ character blew up a planet in a manga, but only blew up a moon in the show and supposedly that makes it any less impressive. This isn't about some silly power level discussion- It's about setting the theme, and you seem to just repeat the former while supposedly claiming the latter. Personally speaking, the adaptation is doing its job fine.

Originally Posted by XFire

In the anime the AST fights effectively (sort of) against the spirits. At least the sword fights seem like Origami can hold up to non-berserk Tohka. In the LN the AST incorporate the fact that they can't win in their combat doctrine. They are expressedly forbidden from directly engaging a spirit, instead they are to keep it from moving until it becomes "lost".

This is the problem with your argument. You keep repeating that 'it SEEMS like XX is less impressive' or something along the line- But that's really up to the viewers to decide. Some viewers can interpret what was shown in this episode as impressive as what you interpreted out of what was described in the light novels.

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by Marly

I never said it was about the spacequakes- I said that the fact that Seireis are capable of causing spacequakes alone is enough to establish them as legitimate threats. Just because the show didn't portray Tohka 'as powerful' as she was described in the LNs doesn't really make that threat any less legitimate.

It's not, as you keep saying, about them being threats, its about the fact that humans short of the heavily augmented Mana are completely incapable of even hurting even the weakest of spirits. They've also cut all the stuff with the AST that shows the more realists of the group know that their only purpose is to annoy the Spirits till they leave. As it stands the anime makes the ATS seem like a valid threat to the spirits compared to the LN where they pretty much are kids with spitballs.

But the humans are clearly not fighting effectively- Otherwise, they would've killed the Seireis already. Just from the first two episodes, it was shown to the viewers that AST is just as helpless as they are in the light novels. I really don't get it- This is pretty much like complaining about how some DBZ character blew up a planet in a manga, but only blew up a moon in the show and supposedly that makes it any less impressive. This isn't about some silly power level discussion- It's about setting the theme, and you seem to just repeat the former while supposedly claiming the latter. Personally speaking, the adaptation is doing its job fine.

Because it changes the tone of things. In the LN the AST are pretty much team rocket in the anime they seem that they could be a real threat. In the LN it was made clear that during the attempt to snipe Tohka might (stressing might) work is because she had both completely lowered her guard and they were using an experimental extremely high powered anti spirit rifle and even then they were not sure it would kill her.

This is the problem with your argument. You keep repeating that 'it SEEMS like XX is less impressive' or something along the line- But that's really up to the viewers to decide. Some viewers can interpret what was shown in this episode as impressive as what you interpreted out of what was described in the light novels.

No his augment is they are altering the very tone of the story and it is.

[Athena]

Originally Posted by Ramen00

Spoiler for Popularity Vote:

I was surprised at rank 6..........

I thought Reine would be higher, but whatever.

[Shinhwa]

Too bad Kurumi isn't first >3>

[Iggy_Pop]

Have anyone here seen the goods they've shown at the official website.
I mean wow:

Spoiler for goods:

There's also seems to be something called "Dere situation" CD they seems to be giving for those who pre order the first three volume of the blu ray/DVD. There's 3 CD, each for Tohka, Yoshino and Kotori. I've listen to the snippets to the CDs, I've got to say I really need to get them. Especially the one with Shido and Tohka, Tohka's reaction with Shido touching her hair is priceless.

[Birdway]

No Kurumi there?



BLASPHEME!!!

[Iggy_Pop]

^ Oh yeah, I'm really surprised she wasn't in the dere situation CD and the goods doesn't have anything highlight Kurumi. Anything by Kurumi is pure win, hopefully there will a CD for her in the future, there's still more DVD/BD volume to come after all. And if there's Kurumi fanservice goods? I'm in.

[tm902541]

Spoiler for Scan:

[Iggy_Pop]

Originally Posted by tm902541

Spoiler for Scan:

Where was this from?

[tm902541]

Originally Posted by Iggy_Pop

Where was this from?

Source: livedoor ( Note: 18+)

[Algester]

Originally Posted by Iggy_Pop

^ Oh yeah, I'm really surprised she wasn't in the dere situation CD and the goods doesn't have anything highlight Kurumi. Anything by Kurumi is pure win, hopefully there will a CD for her in the future, there's still more DVD/BD volume to come after all. And if there's Kurumi fanservice goods? I'm in.

there is and guess what its included in the PS3 game's limited edition... and another edition featuring Rinne I'm sure you gusta, the one with Rinne also comes with a meido scenario with Rinne and Touka and Kotori

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by Iggy_Pop

Have anyone here seen the goods they've shown at the official website.
I mean wow:

Spoiler for goods:

There's also seems to be something called "Dere situation" CD they seems to be giving for those who pre order the first three volume of the blu ray/DVD. There's 3 CD, each for Tohka, Yoshino and Kotori. I've listen to the snippets to the CDs, I've got to say I really need to get them. Especially the one with Shido and Tohka, Tohka's reaction with Shido touching her hair is priceless.

Originally Posted by Birdway

No Kurumi there?



BLASPHEME!!!

I'm not getting my Kurumi fix.............. T.T

Considering how close she got to first place on the popularity poll, they'd better be giving her material focus soon. And she'd better start making the Nyantype and Megami scans.

[Ramen00]

Thanks for the update Riki!

[Algester]

I already told you guys the PS3 game (likely a limited edition on its own as well) will come with a Kurumi Choidere Situation CD... is anyone listening?!

[Shinhwa]

Eh, I am sure Kurumi's popularity will explode soon

[blackwhite67]

Sorry if this has been asked before. i'm just confirming, in the newly translated 5.5 on BK, Tohka only lost to Ellen because her powers were mostly sealed by Shidou, right?

BTW, in volume 7 just what was DEM trying to accomplish by torturing Tohka?

[Ultragunner]

from what I understand, DEM wants to learn more about spirits => control them or even artificial create one => take over the world or some evil cliche scheme..

that's what we can say for now

Originally Posted by Birdway

No Kurumi there?



BLASPHEME!!!

AGREEEEE!!!!! LOL