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View Poll Results: -Your- picks for the best songs in Macross Frontier [Multiple-pick Option Enabled] | |||
Welcome To My FanClub's Night! | 67 | 21.34% | |
Shinkuu no Diamond Crevasse | 108 | 34.39% | |
Aimo ~Tori no Hito | 83 | 26.43% | |
Infinity | 84 | 26.75% | |
Diamond Crevasse ~Sheryl Only♥ | 184 | 58.60% | |
Northern Cross | 150 | 47.77% | |
Anata no Oto | 55 | 17.52% | |
Seikan Hikōu | 82 | 26.11% | |
Yousei | 98 | 31.21% | |
Ai Oboete Imasu ka ~Ranka | 76 | 24.20% | |
Watashi no Kare wa Pilot | 30 | 9.55% | |
Lion | 165 | 52.55% | |
Diamond Crevasse 50/50 | 36 | 11.46% | |
Aoi no Ether | 49 | 15.61% | |
Neko Nikki | 20 | 6.37% | |
Nyan Nyan Service Medley | 101 | 32.17% | |
What 'bout my star?@Formo | 109 | 34.71% | |
Triangler ~ Maaya Sakomoto | 71 | 22.61% | |
Iteza☆Gogo Kuji Don't be late | 88 | 28.03% | |
What 'bout my star? ~Sheryl | 78 | 24.84% | |
Aimo OC | 52 | 16.56% | |
Triangular - Duet - | 93 | 29.62% | |
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2009-04-16, 05:30 | Link #1661 |
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*Gets a headache. And then, left hand over forehead.*
Just to be clear, I'm not going to be participating if a bigger run-in ensues and with the trouble heading over unto reasons such as disliking Seikan Hikou, or disgruntling over any of Ranka's other music. I thought this thread may have posts with some open-mindedness but it is at all reeked with a biased attitude towards Macross music. I do not know the reasons why it has to drag the singer Megumi Nakajima or her character. No, I can't read everything! I get the vibes that it's all about this and what's not this is definitely out. Look it's a happy melody, it sung in a way that gets my attention to make me happy. I can also say that whatever music does not appeal to my sensibilities, I let it pass. As long as it doesn't go down into anything that berates the modesty of music, think suicide music . And if you think does, that is Seikan Hikou has some baaad taste, I hold that some music is capable of bringing inside a person some magic. No lyrical content is of good value if it is so lobotimise by too many speculation and too many dreary hokums about it. Give it some slack. (This message is bound to get argued against. But I won't quote whoever has any misgiving about my thoughts, this is a speak out.) Last edited by BanishingBook; 2009-04-16 at 05:32. Reason: addendum |
2009-04-16, 06:48 | Link #1662 |
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So, you have no problem with someone telling you that you don't like something because you're too dumb to know better? Oh, wait... the biased Sheryl fans are not the ones doing that, are they? Then your whole "defamation campaign" against Mamegu goes right out of the window. No one here's trashing her. I, for one, just don't like to be told what I can or can't like, based on my background or place of residence - because I just don't understand japanese music. If you can't see the difference, you're welcome to your own ignorance, then. Edit ADD: Oh, and nice try, whomever tried to neg-rep me (I have some ideas). But you don't have any rep points, so... too bad for ya.
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2009-04-16, 08:39 | Link #1663 | ||
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I never said foreigners should like or dislike which. I only stated that foreigners will never fully grasp the meaning of Japanese music if they do not know the language. I'm not tell you that you cannot like or dislike anything you don't understand. I'm only telling you that you disliked something you didn't understand, at the same time, you yourself are liking other things you don't fully understand as well. You see, I'm only agreeing to what the Japanese pointed out: Biasness involved - Yes I think there's biasness involved seeing the results of the poll. Not understanding Japanese music - Yes I believe foreigners don't really understand what they hearing from Japanese music. Its not like I'm arguing that everyone hates and is bashing one character, I'm only saying there's a certain degree of biasness. I didn't say that people cannot like or dislike something, more or less than another, even if you don't understand it.
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2009-04-16, 09:28 | Link #1664 |
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wow, everyone is in music forum XD
To start it off, Seikan Hikōu, Aoi no Ether, Anata no Oto, Diamond Crevasse, Infinity, Ai Oboete (ep 1 deculture version) are my top six I guess some biases against certain anime character do involve when ppl choose their favourite song, but I hope there is no bias against the singer tho. The answer is that those songs from macross are designed to fit certain characters...like Seikan Hikōu is for Ranka and Northern Cross is for Sheryl... So if you like Ranka and you don't absolutely hate the style of Seikan Hikōu (typical pop song), chances are you will like the Seikan Hikōu more And if you don't like Ranka and you don't absolutely love the style of Seikan Hikōu, chances are you may not like that song so much... It's natural really, but I really hope there is nothing against the singer just because they voice some certain characters XD About the lyrics, I am so proud to say that the only lyrics I can understand from the Japanese song is the phrase "Sorry" from Sailormoon's OP..and instantly I like that song much more when I realize I "understand" that music ..so understand some lyrics help a bit I guess
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2009-04-16, 09:34 | Link #1665 |
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Oh, I'm done with this. Seems we of non-japanese heritage shouldn't be allowed to express our opinions about songs in polls because we can't understand the words. Truly, that's just note perfect analytical explanation - and don't dare say I'm overreacting over such arbitrary positions. It just makes you look like an entirely condescending... person.
See y'all in the funny pages.
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2009-04-16, 09:47 | Link #1666 |
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@BetoJR
I just hope you are not responding from my post lol because I never say non-japanese heritage shouldn't be allowed to express their opinions about songs in polls just because they don't understand it I don't understand a single Japanese word..I just say understanding lyrics help a person like a song more...I like the sailormoon op much more once I understand the word "sorry" in Japanese and I can't describe my joy when I can actually listen to the singer say "sorry" in the first sentence I really hope your anger does not come from my post
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2009-04-16, 12:01 | Link #1667 |
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I dunno when I look at the choices I don't think "this is a Ranka's song". I dunno know who was voting like this is a competition but I know that the people complaining that one girl "got more votes" than another gotta be part of that group. So let em stew.
I totally agree with CA that language makes it tough for people to know lyrics. The hard part with songs like @Formo and Don't be late is that they have English lyrics in them, so it's hard for non-native English speakers to really get the poetry. Otherwise @Formo would even be more popular than DC in Japan. SH is underrated but Anata no Oto even more. I mean it was so important that it titled the final episode. But here too it needs advanced understanding of Japanese onomatopoeia to get the symbolism. |
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2009-04-16, 12:54 | Link #1669 | |
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Now, I can understand the point that without understanding Japanese one would miss any Japanese linguistic tricks in the songs. That does not, however, mean that the meaning of the song is lost in translation, as a good translation would also include notes on anything missed. To be honest though, I doubt any piece of Macross music would be written in such a way that it's meaning could be lost on anyone not Japanese, because that's just not how Kawamori or Yoko Kanno roll. Now, defending Seikan Hikou as some kind of brilliant piece of music that we non-Japanese just don't understand is silly. It's a pop idol song, the song writer says it's a pop idol song, so therefore it follows that it's not going to be so terribly deep, meaningful, and culturally Japanese that no one else can properly understand it. For an amusing non-anime reference, this is a bit like claiming that non-Elves can't understand the real meaning of the parts of Tolkien's works that involve Elvish. |
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2009-04-16, 12:56 | Link #1670 | |
Alto x Ranka :)
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Still this shouldn't effect how much you enjoy the song but I agree to an extent that as a person that lives outside of Japan, I might not fully understand the poetic side to a song.
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I mean, really... c'mon, Seikan Hikou is a poppy song. Yoko Kano herself called it a poppy-idol song. What could be so transcendentally hidden in the context of the poetry rhythmic that it would drastically change some of our plain westerners understanding and appreciation of it? I just don't get this kinda reasoning...
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2009-04-16, 13:38 | Link #1673 | |
Alto x Ranka :)
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2009-04-16, 13:43 | Link #1675 |
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I... Have to say that Seikan Hikou is a real poppish song. I mean, you know... I... Have no fondness to the lyrics. At all. And really, Seikan Hikou's lyric is uhhh... IMHO, IMVHO, not really having any deep meaning at all D:
I mean, isn't the "KIRA~!" is obvious enough...?
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2009-04-16, 13:45 | Link #1676 |
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I'm disappointed, after all of our history I thought you would know me by now You know I've always tried to take others opinions into consideration unless their opinion sounds too unreasonable. I'm also very careful with the words I choose here especially because we're arguing something so subjective as music
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You clearly misunderstood stuff as I mentioned earlier. I've mentioned and rementioned several times that I only stated that foreigners do not fully understand Japanese music. And the only thing I expanded from that was because of that Japanese have a fairer viewpoint to judge. You put words into my mouth with: Quote:
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You know, I didn't come here for an argument at all, I saw a funny video, I translated and you were somehow more offended than others. I don't see others being offended or anything. Not just me, but others too, think you are definitely angry at something. I'll apologize for what ticked you off.
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And I still don't know why Seikan Hikou would be specially meaningful to the japanese. I mean... would you care to enlighten me? Is it the "Kira!" pose? But, you know what, I don't even care. So, it's not like the opinions of a few japanese people would matter all that much, anyway. By the way, are you japanese, C.A.?
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2009-04-16, 17:08 | Link #1680 |
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You don't see the other persons because they happen to be in my pm and roller coaster cookies.
Everything in my original post is straight from the video itself, including everything in the part where I said I agree with the Japanese. The Nico posters were saying 'foreigners not knowing how to appreciate Japanese music' and 'Seikan Hikou is special to the Japanese'. I'm just a foreigner who learnt Japanese and found it the greatest investment ever.
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