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View Poll Results: To Aru Kagaku no Railgun S - Episode 14 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 95 | 68.84% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 25 | 18.12% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 5 | 3.62% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 3.62% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 1.45% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 0.72% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 3 | 2.17% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.72% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.72% | |
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2013-07-22, 13:01 | Link #181 | |
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The point of this arc was that Mikoto met a force that she wasn't strong enough to take down by herself (Accelerator) but still tried to act alone anyway. Is it really so big a deal that the person she got help from was a guy? That the person she relied on in her time of need was someone she already knew and trusted... who happens to be a guy? Also Touma does get development (sure its really slow but he does get some) just not a lot here in Railgun, because this is in the end Mikoto's story. |
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2013-07-22, 13:24 | Link #182 | |
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He always tries? No, he is involved by accident on those problems, he just acepts them instead of taking a step aside and let the things go. Thats why he doesn't needs some "heroine" (haha) what he needs is someone who can make him prove to himself his power isn't useless when his will is enough for him. The pairing are delusional fans, even if the author outright says it, people will go in denial as usual :S. What Touma needs develop is to not be involved and led by other's schemes but willing to search for the causes before the consequences are too big to handle. Better? From a partial pov, yes. From Touma in Index, and Mikoto and Accelerator in Railgun, no. Indeed, to Mikoto, Touma is the same person, its just she doesn't knows the truth thus being unable to understand him at all. |
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2013-07-22, 13:25 | Link #183 |
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His speech to Misaka in ep this, is just so painfully stupid to me. Misaka asks if he has any ideas or plans. Does Touma do the rational thing, and tell her that he'll fight accelerator? NO Does he explain Misaka that his power might give him a chance vs accelerator? NOPE Does he answer her question if he's ok with letting the clones die? NOPE Does he ask to team up with him to try to defeat accelerator? NO Does he just stand there spewing his ideals and looking like a moron? YUP. Does he wait until Misaka attacks to say he is against the experiments? YES Does he stand there until she attacks him all out to then explain things? YES Does he treat her like a helpless child and leave her instead of asking her to help him? YUP Did doing so waste time, and potentially have let Accelerator kill the clone for that day and miss his chance to fight him because his 'ideals' are more important? APPARENTLY. That one scene made wish Misaka would have killed him, because it makes him look so stupid and arrogant. No seriously can anyone give me a single good reason, why Touma waited until Misaka went full out on him to make him pass out to explain what he was thinking? If that one scene hadn't been handled so completely idiotically, I could have been more or less ok with Touma's involvement in the arc, but it wasn't. And for being saying it's a gender thing regardless of that treating a person as a helpless child and going solo against someone like Accelerator alone is simply arrogance and ego showing, it's not like she was physical injured or had something else stopping her from helping. (It makes sense given how events of index might have boosted Touma's ego, but it's no excuse to think himself invincible). And treating her as a helpless child tramples on all her effort to stop it herself, imo. That scene on the bridge made it without a doubt the worst episode in all of railgun to me, and it was worse watching it again. </rant>
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2013-07-22, 13:36 | Link #184 | |||
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After he got beaten up by her he realized his plan and how he could stop it without her having to die. Before that he was just trying to stop a girl from killing herself. Quote:
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2013-07-22, 13:51 | Link #185 | |||
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And if he needed time to think of a plan, why didn't he just block Misaka's attacks? Instead of almost dying and putting himself in worse state to fight Accelerator. Quote:
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2013-07-22, 13:52 | Link #186 | |
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The entire point of Touma fighting Accelerator was to make Accelerator seem vulnerable enough that he could lose to someone powerless like a lvl 0, if Mikoto helped then it would seem like she beat Accelerator and not Touma which wouldn't have been much of a big deal since she is the third strongest in the city. It may not have been the smart thing to do, but its not like there was no chance for Touma to win since he can bypass Accelerator's vector shield. |
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2013-07-22, 14:21 | Link #188 | ||||
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I'd like to see how rational your thinking would be after seeing somebody killed and then learning about a conspiracy that's killing thousands more. Yes he was panicked and didn't immediately realize what he needed to do, but that's just because he's human Quote:
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2013-07-22, 14:46 | Link #189 | |||
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And sorry I just don't buy that when the whole experiment is based around the assumption Accelerator is the strongest losing to anyone would upset their calculations, as according to the clones if he had fought and killed Misaka seriously it would have upset the calculation enough to be beyond correction, so I can only assume that her being part of defeating him would also greatly upset their calculation. So again I see it as excuse for Touma to go solo and be the "hero" to justify his ego to treat Misaka as a helpless child, when even just defensively her power could helped Touma defeat Accelerator easier. And lastly I don't hate Touma, so much as the Author for how poorly this part was written.
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2013-07-22, 15:00 | Link #190 | |
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I also want to comment on other things you've said but that would delve into spoilers for the novel series if you want to know PM me. |
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2013-07-22, 15:04 | Link #191 | |||||
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The fact of the matter is that humans don't think well under that kind of pressure and terror. Remember how Misaka could only blindly attack and then collapse into panic when she first found out about the experiment? Quote:
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2013-07-22, 16:34 | Link #192 |
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I can summarized all this by clearing up one of the misconception that Konakaga- The assumption that Kamijou had his plan before confronting her.
This isn't true of course but I guess from an Anime-only perspective people could make that mistake.
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2013-07-22, 20:17 | Link #193 | |
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Even if Misaka was to help and receive credit it disproves the Tree Diagram's predictions being perfect and call the basis for the whole experiment into question. It being proved wrong on a fight it viewed Misaka having near zero chance, is still a big deal. Touma just calls it into question more, which is used as an excuse to let him be the solo hero and justify his stance towards Misaka.
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2013-07-22, 20:22 | Link #194 |
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The fact still remains that Misaka was trying to sacrifice her life on a "maybe" that MIGHT stop the experiment. Touma's motivation is he wants to stop the experiment without senselessly sacrificing the lifes of people he knows. (If only he took half as good care of himself but that's something else entirely.) Misaka was grasping at straws in desperation as she was backed into a corner with no other foreseeable option short of going on a murderous killing spree of the scientist community which I don't think she has it in her to do it. Plus the intense guilt and pain over feeling responsible for 10,000 clones of herself getting butchered was making her suicidal, she wanted to save her sisters but deep down she wanted her own pain to stop as she just couldn't bear it anymore.
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2013-07-22, 20:28 | Link #195 | |
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Misaka herself said that she's not confident in being able to defeat him, heck the whole round about way of destroying the facilities is because she doesn't want to face him. So her only option is to survive pass that number, but even if she did go 186 and the experiment was some how stopped- it doesn't mean she would survive it. If Misaka had help from someone else, it doesn't contradict the prediction which was base on a 1v1 scenario.
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2013-08-08, 12:03 | Link #196 |
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Thanks to Pocari_Sweat's recommendation, I recently picked up Railgun S in spite of having dropped both the original Railgun and Index early on. So know that I'm that exceptionally rare anime-only viewer for this show that has seen very little Raildex material (in any format) prior to it. Now that I'm only 3 episodes behind being caught up, I felt compelled to comment a bit on Railgun S.
First of all, I'm surprised at the level of consternation this episode has caused for ninryu and Konakaga. I could understand their issues if Mikoto hadn't spent the better part of this anime doing one helluva John McClane impersonation. She's basically been an insane one-girl army causing likely billions of dollars in property damage with an intense single-minded drive that's on par with some of the most badass and manliest of action heroes. She single-handedly defeated Item, a group with two Level 5s on it, one of which is only one rank below Mikoto herself. I mean... what more can you possibly ask for? But Mikoto's strength here also shows us a glaring weakness. It shows that she too quickly and readily takes the whole world on her shoulders, and absolutely refuses to try to get help when she so unmistakeably needs it. There's an old saying that's very applicable here - "No man is an island". If men and women are equals, then doesn't it also stand to reason that no woman is an island? So why would Mikoto's fans want her to be an island, a person who does absolutely everything all on her own and never realizes that sometimes situations are beyond you and its time to trust in friends and loved ones? This isn't a gender issue, it's a common sense issue. Watching Mikoto in this anime has been like watching Madoka Magica's Sayaka Miki in super-slow mo. In both cases, the eventual cost of feeling isolated from the rest of the world is becoming clear. Mikoto was about to throw her life away in an incredibly dumb and self-destructive plan. Thankfully, her Kamijo is a hero, and it's good that he had what it took to stop Mikoto from pointlessly throwing her life away.
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2013-08-08, 12:17 | Link #199 |
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Sorry, I misremembered a piece of narration in Episode 9. I remembered Frenda calling them the great Level 5 duo, but upon rechecking Episode 9, I see that Frenda called them the great Level 5-Level 4 duo.
Still, it doesn't take much away from Mikoto's victory over Item. She defeated "the great Level 5-Level 4 duo", and that was right after a grueling victory over Frenda. Edit: One thing I wanted to add is that I think it makes perfect sense that Touma went after Accelerator alone. There's certain situations you don't bring suicidal people into until that person has recovered from being suicidal.
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2013-08-09, 12:17 | Link #200 |
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Triple R, you have no idea how much you are driving me insane right now. Is there any way to convince you to watch the first season of Railgun from episodes 4 to 14? (Feel free to skip episode 13)
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