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GDB · 2012-06-15, 17:34

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Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

wait Jodie wasnt Vermouth when Vermouth was revealed in 345 she was Dr. Ariade Jodie was always FBI

Yes, that's the point. But when Vermouth first started getting hinted at in the manga, way back when Pisco was killed, Gosho kept hinting that Jodie was Vermouth. Exactly the same way Okiya is being hinted at being Bourbon.

ImperialFlameGod8190 · 2012-06-15, 18:01

haha well at any rate it will be very interesting

xellos2099 · 2012-06-17, 22:05

I think Vermouth put some kind of bomb near where the passager list is. I wonder what is her plan on that.

leokiko · 2012-06-18, 02:40

Amuro - Bourbon

Scar Akai(on the train) - Vermouth

Scar Akai(before) - Bourbon

Okiya - Akai

Mystery Woman - Yukiko

Sera - Akai's sister

Haibara is currently being protected by Okiya. Conan knows that, for those wondering why he is so calm even while knowing that the BO is there, that's your answer.

Von Himmel · 2012-06-18, 05:35

Isn't this the first time that Yukiko meet Sharon after her supposed death?

ImperialFlameGod8190 · 2012-06-18, 06:22

yes it is and since she knows Sharon is Vermouth it will be even more interesting

LeaD36 · 2012-06-22, 11:39

well akai was rather obvious and i'm not at all surprised about the bourbon development
I mean that was HELLA obvious

Von Himmel · 2012-06-23, 06:25

...when did she drink the APTX ?

ImperialFlameGod8190 · 2012-06-23, 11:19

i admit i was wrong about subaru being bourbon and such but this really was an interesting chapter @Himmel she drank it probably off screen either way i think i have a theory as to how chris and Sharon are the same person maybe when she was still Sharon she took the APTX and knew about the secret its still gonna be fun but i think it'll take 2 chapters to resolve it but what about this twist i'd wager that Bourbon's promise is actually to pretend to kill sherry and let the group get away somehow that way their off the trail and she can still keep her promise

Spoiler for 824:

xellos2099 · 2012-06-23, 16:48

This bring more question... remember Bourbon was hanging out by Date's grave? Does this mean Date is a member of the BO too? Also, does this mean Akai knew Conan's true identity now his mom is directly involve in this case? And who was the Akai in the mall and bank case?

I am not quite sure what Yukiko mean by saying Conan think there is a reaosn why Vermouth didn't reveal aptx secret? After all, during the Ghost ship case Vermouth was all prepare to kill Haibara.

ImperialFlameGod8190 · 2012-06-23, 17:01

@xellos thats what i mean if u assume that vermouth has always been fake akai she was in 2 places at once in the mall case. As for Vermouth not revealing APTX's secret ironically enough i bet it has to do with Conan himself. After all Vermouth knows very well that Conan is Jimmy kudo and Yukikos son. If APTX is confirmed to shrink Haibara it could explain the inconsistincies with Jimmy Kudo as well and she doesnt want to have to kill Yukiko or put her in harms way. That and Vermouth owes Jimmy her life

amasposu · 2012-06-23, 17:38

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Originally Posted by xellos2099

This bring more question... remember Bourbon was hanging out by Date's grave? Does this mean Date is a member of the BO too? Also, does this mean Akai knew Conan's true identity now his mom is directly involve in this case? And who was the Akai in the mall and bank case?

I am not quite sure what Yukiko mean by saying Conan think there is a reaosn why Vermouth didn't reveal aptx secret? After all, during the Ghost ship case Vermouth was all prepare to kill Haibara.

Amuro and Date were best friends in the Police Academy. There is not much else known about Amuro and Date.

Fake Akai is a disguise, NOT a set person. The theory is that the first Fake Akai (all the ones before the Mystery Train case) is Boubon gathering information. The second is, of course, Vermouth. Read the previous posts in this thread.

Vermouth constantly calls Conan the second "Silver Bullet" (Akai Shuuichi is the first). A theory is that she secretly wants Conan to stop the Black Organization. Silver Bullet is, of course, an object that destroys evil.

Vermouth seems really interested in not only Conan (Kudo Shinichi) but also Mouri Ran. As Sharon Vineyard, Vermouth used the quote, "No angel has smiled upon me, not even once." But she started calling Ran "Angel" after Ran saved her in New York. The weakness that Vermouth has that Yukiko talked about is probably Conan and Ran. Remember, she even ordered Calvados in the Ghost Ship arc not to kill Ran.

ImperialFlameGod8190 · 2012-06-23, 20:07

another little niche is that Silver Bullet was the name that was given to APTX489 hows that for a little fun

Renegade334 · 2012-06-29, 12:45

Ch.824:

Spoiler:

ImperialFlameGod8190 · 2012-06-29, 12:52

Spoiler for 824 spoiler:

xellos2099 · 2012-06-29, 20:21

I just read chinese scan

Spoiler for spoiler:

ImperialFlameGod8190 · 2012-06-29, 22:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by xellos2099

I just read chinese scan

Spoiler for spoiler:

Spoiler for chapter 824:

xellos2099 · 2012-06-29, 22:43

Spoiler for spec:

It is a pretty damn wild theory lol.

ImperialFlameGod8190 · 2012-06-30, 20:52

well the chapters out and the best part is everybody's alive its clear Bourbon and Vermouth were separate from gin and Vodka the first scar akai was a disguise by Amuro and vermouth did it to reveal himself to sherry Subaru is Akai thats all but confirmed and vermouth is also trolled completely and everyone's alive and safe hahaha what an arc

Von Himmel · 2012-06-30, 23:19

I completely forgot about Kaito Kid when he's implied right in the beginning of this arc

2012-06-18, 05:35	Link #45
Von Himmel エーレンフェストの聖女 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dollars	Isn't this the first time that Yukiko meet Sharon after her supposed death? __________________ 「何かが起こっても、わたくしが守ります」

2012-06-23, 06:25	Link #48
Von Himmel エーレンフェストの聖女 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dollars	...when did she drink the APTX ? __________________ 「何かが起こっても、わたくしが守ります」

2012-06-23, 11:19	Link #49
ImperialFlameGod8190 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012	i admit i was wrong about subaru being bourbon and such but this really was an interesting chapter @Himmel she drank it probably off screen either way i think i have a theory as to how chris and Sharon are the same person maybe when she was still Sharon she took the APTX and knew about the secret its still gonna be fun but i think it'll take 2 chapters to resolve it but what about this twist i'd wager that Bourbon's promise is actually to pretend to kill sherry and let the group get away somehow that way their off the trail and she can still keep her promise Spoiler for 824: looks like i was wrong about the whole bourbon promise but man this is a drag it would seem bourbons promise involves conan more and more but idk at this point sheesh Last edited by ImperialFlameGod8190; 2012-06-29 at 12:54. Reason: spoiler

2012-06-29, 12:45	Link #54
Renegade334 Sleepy Lurker Graphic Designer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Nun'yabiznehz Age: 38	Ch.824: Spoiler: 1. Bourbon plans to isolate Sherry in the last wagon, which is rigged to explode (by a call from Vermouth's phone). He places an additional charge on the accordeon-like section between the last and second to last wagon so as to uncouple the two, prior to detonation. 2. Akai (yep, with no visible scar) appears behind Bourbon and spoils his plan with a casually dropped grenade. The last wagon is still disconnected by the blast and detonates in the middle of a bridge. 3. Vermouth leaves Yukiko; Bourbon survived the grenade explosion unscathed. 4. Ai is alive (she's still in child form), though sleeping on Agasa's back. Vermouth (in a different disguise) realizes that things are really wrong. 5. Adult!Sherry was actually Kaitou Kid in disguise. He previously maqueraded as the old woman on the wheelchair (the assistant was one of Kid's accomplices) and Conan recruited his help. 6. Kid escaped the wagon explosion thanks to his backpack kite. 7. Sera is awake again, though a bit confused. Yukiko looks understandably smug, whereas Vermouth mentally concedes defeat. 8. Okiya is now keeping an eye on Amuro/Bourbon. __________________ << -- Click to enter my (dead) GFX thread. Last edited by Renegade334; 2012-06-29 at 13:06.

2012-06-29, 12:52	Link #55
ImperialFlameGod8190 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012	Spoiler for 824 spoiler: So let me get this straight Ai was never in danger she was asleep Kaitou Kid was Sherry and nobody dies well i hate to say troll but thats really sad and ai was always safe man this aint even right haha seems a lot of predictions were right including mine about nobody dying

2012-06-15, 18:01	Link #42
ImperialFlameGod8190 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012	haha well at any rate it will be very interesting

2012-06-17, 22:05	Link #43
xellos2099 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008	I think Vermouth put some kind of bomb near where the passager list is. I wonder what is her plan on that.

2012-06-18, 02:40	Link #44
leokiko Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012	Amuro - Bourbon Scar Akai(on the train) - Vermouth Scar Akai(before) - Bourbon Okiya - Akai Mystery Woman - Yukiko Sera - Akai's sister Haibara is currently being protected by Okiya. Conan knows that, for those wondering why he is so calm even while knowing that the BO is there, that's your answer.

2012-06-18, 06:22	Link #46
ImperialFlameGod8190 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012	yes it is and since she knows Sharon is Vermouth it will be even more interesting

2012-06-22, 11:39	Link #47
LeaD36 LeaDfactor Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Hungary, Budapest Age: 33	well akai was rather obvious and i'm not at all surprised about the bourbon development I mean that was HELLA obvious

2012-06-23, 16:48	Link #50
xellos2099 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008	This bring more question... remember Bourbon was hanging out by Date's grave? Does this mean Date is a member of the BO too? Also, does this mean Akai knew Conan's true identity now his mom is directly involve in this case? And who was the Akai in the mall and bank case? I am not quite sure what Yukiko mean by saying Conan think there is a reaosn why Vermouth didn't reveal aptx secret? After all, during the Ghost ship case Vermouth was all prepare to kill Haibara.

2012-06-23, 17:01	Link #51
ImperialFlameGod8190 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012	@xellos thats what i mean if u assume that vermouth has always been fake akai she was in 2 places at once in the mall case. As for Vermouth not revealing APTX's secret ironically enough i bet it has to do with Conan himself. After all Vermouth knows very well that Conan is Jimmy kudo and Yukikos son. If APTX is confirmed to shrink Haibara it could explain the inconsistincies with Jimmy Kudo as well and she doesnt want to have to kill Yukiko or put her in harms way. That and Vermouth owes Jimmy her life

2012-06-23, 20:07	Link #53
ImperialFlameGod8190 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012	another little niche is that Silver Bullet was the name that was given to APTX489 hows that for a little fun

2012-06-29, 20:21	Link #56
xellos2099 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008	I just read chinese scan Spoiler for spoiler: Look like Gin planned bomb at the station which is set to donation after the train come in and plan to blow up Bourbon and Vermouth like he don't care if they have an escape plan. Also, Bourbon might turn out not too evil as he plan to take her back to the organization instead of killing her like Gin. On the other hand... how does Conan plan to pull this off if Kid is not on the train? Also, now that we know Amuro is Bourbon, which it be extremely dangerous if he keep hanging out by the detective office? Also, didn't Amuro see Aiu in kid form before?

2012-06-29, 22:43	Link #58
xellos2099 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008	Spoiler for spec: I just think of a theory....maybe Amuro is a NOC of japan police department toward the black organization. It is not that far off a theory... consider we know he is a friend with Date, who claim Amuro is an amazing fellow during police school who vanish. What if someone from JPD know about the BO and send Amuro as a mole. And Amuro just so happen to like Akemi, who happen to like Akai, which might made Amuro hate Akai. It is a pretty damn wild theory lol.

2012-06-30, 20:52	Link #59
ImperialFlameGod8190 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012	well the chapters out and the best part is everybody's alive its clear Bourbon and Vermouth were separate from gin and Vodka the first scar akai was a disguise by Amuro and vermouth did it to reveal himself to sherry Subaru is Akai thats all but confirmed and vermouth is also trolled completely and everyone's alive and safe hahaha what an arc

2012-06-30, 23:19	Link #60
Von Himmel エーレンフェストの聖女 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dollars	I completely forgot about Kaito Kid when he's implied right in the beginning of this arc __________________ 「何かが起こっても、わたくしが守ります」