2008-10-18, 15:08 | Link #6863 | |
Sasaki-ist
Join Date: Mar 2008
Age: 37
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Okay, maybe calling Haruhi "evil" is a bit too far. "Completely lacking both a sense of right and wrong and empathy for her fellow human beings" is more fair. |
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2008-10-18, 15:19 | Link #6864 | ||
Homo Ludens
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Canada
Age: 34
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(-100 respect points.) Haruhi has many, many issues, but she's not that bad. If you've only seen the show, and are taking it too seriously, I can see why you'd think that, but she improves greatly in the light novels, where she basically starts to act as a mother to most of the brigade, especially Yuki. She only doesn't really have much of a sense of right and wrong because she's very spoiled and sheltered... she's not evil, she's simply a child. In addition, she's far more accepting of deviations from the norm than many people alive today. Quote:
Her Closed Space is no better than Haruhi's. Whereas Haruhi's is full of destruction, Sasaki's is devoid of anything, good or bad. Neither is really favorable. Whereas Haruhi at the beginning of the series being fully aware of her powers is terrifying, Haruhi now is much less so. Sasaki, however, would be a nightmare. Since her emotions are heavily repressed, what would happen if you let them all go at once? |
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2008-10-18, 16:32 | Link #6865 | ||||||
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Age: 37
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Look at Sasaki, who is helping to set up a Jr. High class reunion to see her old friends, compared to Haruhi, who is primarily interested in people only so far as her paranormal search is concerned. Remember Asakura, who attempted to reach out to Haruhi and become her friend, only to be rebuffed again and again. Of you think that's too early, then I give you Sakanaka. Sakanaka had been wanting to be Haruhi's friend for a while, but Haruhi only showed interest in her when she came to the Brigade for help. Quote:
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You talk about Sasaki repressing her emotions, but it sure looks to me like Haruhi is the one doing the repressing. Closed Space is the representation of the generator's mental state, or at least it seems that way from Koizumi's lectures. Haruhi is frustrated: the Shinjin smash. Haruhi is angry: the Shinjin smash HARDER. Haruhi is confused: the Shinjin stand around. Yet she doesn't really let those emotions show too much, especially the confusion. Sasaki's closed space is calm and peaceful because Sasaki is calm and peaceful. There's no reason to think that she has some deep, underlying frustration just waiting to be unleashed. |
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2008-10-18, 17:11 | Link #6866 | |||
Homo Ludens
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Canada
Age: 34
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Sasaki's Closed Space is empty and stagnant. There is NOTHING THERE.
Kyon felt incredibly creeped out there and so would I. I think the point is that no one should have the power, neither Sasaki or Haruhi. No human should be given this kind of control. Nice reference to Anthony Fremont, but he was definitely evil and twisted from the start anyway. Wasn't one supposition that he's the devil's son or something. And remember, Haruhi is supposed to be changing for the better. Kyon says it, everyone in the story says it. Although Haruhi may not act like the best of people, she does have a kind heart, and her apparently negative qualities actually help everyone in certain ways. Quote:
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As for Sakanaka, although Haruhi only started paying close attention to her when she showed up at the brigade, later in the story she only seems to want to go to Sakanaka's place to hang out with Sakanaka and her dog. This, and that story is mainly about Haruhi growing closer with her classmates. As for WHY I don't like Sasaki: Quote:
Sasaki is completely serious about everything she says here. Someone like this in control of the universe, frankly, terrifies me. |
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2008-10-18, 17:35 | Link #6869 |
Homo Ludens
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Canada
Age: 34
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Sasaki isn't evil yet. She probably will end up being twisted into the role in the Betaverse by her brigade and by her powers.
Haruhi, although rather sociopathic at the beginning of the series, isn't evil. More like "neutral", and is slowly becoming more and more good. |
2008-10-18, 18:32 | Link #6872 |
Homo Ludens
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Canada
Age: 34
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Yeah, let's drop this. We're filling up the image thread.
Would like to point out, though, that even if the Dark Brigade turn out to be evil, they're going to be portrayed realistically. Fujiwara in particular seems like the kind of character susceptible to redemption, and all that implies. |
2008-10-18, 19:35 | Link #6875 |
Sensei, aishite imasu
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Hong Kong Shatterdome
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Those two seem to rearing up for hostilities, and people are picking sides. It's quite hard to pick one of them....so I'll take both.
*Shoots both of them with Tranq darts* ...what
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2008-10-19, 00:50 | Link #6876 | |
books-eater youkai
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Betweem wisdom and insanity
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Do some one than do not share the same value than you or the same gradationt ov value would be Evil ? |
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2008-10-19, 00:57 | Link #6877 | |
Homo Ludens
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Canada
Age: 34
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Everything except rape can be justified, and therefore, as long as one exception exists, evil can be proven to exist. Now if only one could do the same thing for good... Well, I suppose donating all your money to the poor automatically counts as good, but it of course depends on your motivation, etc. Last edited by Tyabann; 2008-10-19 at 01:14. |
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2008-10-19, 01:15 | Link #6879 | |
Homo Ludens
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Canada
Age: 34
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And all the trolls who perpetuate that argument. |
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