2009-06-25, 15:55 | Link #62 | |
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It's easily the best scene in the entire series just because Oda for that one moment threw off the gloves and basically killed something. |
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2009-06-25, 16:05 | Link #64 | |
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Just because it's shonen doesn't mean that you should just write exclusivly for 10-12 year olds. They can handle a little death, just don't go overboard and kill off half the cast. Last edited by Charred Knight; 2009-06-25 at 16:24. |
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2009-06-25, 16:15 | Link #67 | |
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2009-06-25, 16:26 | Link #68 | |
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Joking aside, Jiraiya's and Merry's death were actually very similar. Both, despite being grievously injured, managed to work up just enough strength to accomplish one last mission that helped to secure the safety of their friends/loved-ones (Jiraiya by obtaining the info needed to secure victory, and Merry by sailing in and saving its crew from certain doom). These were heroic deaths and should be "respected" as such (or at least as much respect as can be given to fictional characters). That being said, I am not sure why people are annoyed with Bon Clay's supposed death. He came to Impel Down originally to find and help Ivankov, so Clay, unlike anyone else, actually managed to fulfill his wishes and helped to save Ivankov and Luffy. Good on you Bon Clay. |
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2009-06-25, 16:40 | Link #70 | |
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A mangaka needs to know how to kill a character you don't kill anyone and the people don't think anyone can die, you kill to much and you can ruin a manga. Houshin Enegi is probably the best example of a mangaka completely failing at this when he killed off a lot of character with depth, and didn't kill off the villain who was a one note EVIL hot chick, and instead created an ending that made no sense. |
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2009-06-25, 16:41 | Link #71 |
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I really enjoyed this chapter. The scene where Jimbei scolded Luffy was the pivotal moment for Luffy. Luffy has now understood that not everyone can be saved, and that he has to move on forward even though he may be reluctant to leave behind such a great friend. Good stuff right there.
As for this Impel Down arc so far, I would place it in my top 3 One Piece story arcs. Every single significant character has contributed their fair share towards escaping the gaol, there has been excellent teamwork, Magellan really lived up to his reputation of being the chief warden of the world's most impenetrable fortress, and most importantly, Luffy has advanced a big step in his character development. In addition to all of this, we still have yet to see what Blackbeard and Shiryuu are up to. I know that this arc gets a lot of hate from fans (partially due to the fact that the strawhats are not around), but it has certainly lived up to my expectations.
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2009-06-25, 16:41 | Link #72 | |
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Is that what they are calling him now a days? lol
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2009-06-25, 17:34 | Link #73 | |
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Actually, I have heard Jesus called the J-Man for at least the past 20 years, possibly longer...not that my little joke actually matter . |
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2009-06-25, 18:41 | Link #74 | |
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Okay, I'll try to explain it: The Cypher Pol 9 and Enies' Lobby arc was unarguably the most serious, and awesome arc in all of OP, followed, imho, by the Sky Island Arc. Even though the Strawhats went in full blast, and charged a frightfully powerful enemy, the arc still maintained its dignity because of the sheer prowess the antagonist group displayed. Although, to be fair, Luffy was extremely serious during this arc. I believe this arc ws probably one of the most amazing ones so far because I saw Luffy grow so many levels, and not just physically, but Mentally, and Emotionally, and chronologically overall. It had surprises for everyone, on every character, and in intricate plot focused on development like I've never seen in any other of the "Big Three" anime. Actually, I wouldn't hesitate to say that the CP9 arc in OP is the best arc to debut from all three of the big league manga so far. And don't even begin to talk about the planetary warps that Usopp underwent in terms of growth. Amazing. Wherever the SH crew took the seriousness of the situation for granted, it was completely overshadowed by the purely incomprehensible threat that Lucci and Kaku presented. Even the Franky family, who managed to miraculously survive (I think they should have died...honestly...), didn't even bother me. The arc was just pure and total WIN. In keeping with the Enies' Lobby standard, and seeing as Impel Down is linked to Enies Lobby, and holds the world's most dangerous criminals, I expected a standard as good as, or higher than Enies' Lobby. I did NOT expect the ENTIRE prison to all be barely held together by only ONE man. Throughout this whole arc he was the only one who was competent among the Impel Down staff. So the laissez-fair stuff is really piercing through now, seeing as there's no real shadow looming over. Luffy was breaking into a stronghold of people in their own turf. It's ridiculous for him to find a group of transvestites sandwiched between the floors and motivate them to get themselves killed in order to give him a chance to escape. The arc is lacking the Enforcer. The character who holds a death grip over them all, and whom, while all is being said and done, is, although with-held, a given, who pervades every phase of protagonist operations. Magellan is pulling the whole prison's weight. And managing it well, but he needs...assistance. A bit more clout to wield. So far Shiryuu has been a waste. Hannyabal was nothing short of disappointing (amusing, but less than I expected), and Sadi-chan, although hard-set and determined to do well, has yet to show that the beasts are of any use to anyone. All in all, a good arc, but lack of CRUCIAL plot characters who should have been there to guide things along makes it void of real impact. And forever, Enies Lobby will stand out as being awesomely fear-instilling...but the next tool in the World Government's chain of intimidation will be remembered as the weak link. It doesn't match up.
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2009-06-25, 20:08 | Link #76 | ||
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In terms of being formidable and tough, Blueno, Jyabura, Kaku, and Kalifa, honestly didn't pose much of a threat when the strawhats came back in exuberant form. Blueno stood no chance against Gear 2 Luffy, Jyabura got destroyed by Sanji, Kaku didn't give Zoro no where near as much trouble as Mr. 1 did, and Kalifa lost to Nami of all people. It was Fukurou, Kumadori, and especially Lucci, that gave their respective opponents a difficult time. In terms of the harshness and severity of the environment, Impel Down has Enies Lobby beat, hands down. Each floor specializing in a particular method of torture, prisoners living in despair that they'll never be able to see the outside world again, and of course having an enforcer who instills fear for the reason being that he can potentially kill anyone, all make Impel Down by far the worst place we've seen to date. But then again that's a given considering that it's supposed to be a place that houses the most dangerous criminals, so it should be very grim and forbidding indeed. What I will give you though, is that the Water 7/Enies Lobby arc was more grand/major than this one. The thing is though, I feel that Impel Down is merely going to be the prelude to the MarineFord arc, kind of like how Water 7 was the prelude to the Enies Lobby arc. If that's the case, it's kind of unfair to compare this arc to the entirety of the Water 7/Enies Lobby arc, since the Impel Down arc in itself gets beat out in longevity and grand scale. Don't get me wrong, for the Water 7/Enies Lobby arc is my favorite still, followed by Alabasta, and then the current Impel Down arc. Quote:
I think it's premature to say this. Just in this chapter alone, something unprecedented happened, that is, the escape of 241 prisoners. This occurrence, combined with whatever Blackbeard has planned at Impel Down, are going to adversely affect the World Government and the world of One Piece as we know it. The last caption in this chapter is a sign of something really bad to come, similar to the end of the Blackbeard vs. Ace fight.
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Honestly now, if not one person dies in this upcoming war, will you be satisfied?
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