2010-12-28, 00:17 | Link #81 | ||||
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I mean, in the last 2 chapters, we got : Suigetsu wants sword. Juugo is with him. Zabuza has sword. Kimimaro comes to him. How can it NOT happen ? Especially when Kishi made us wait 1 year for Suigetsu's escape because it had to happen the very same chapter Zabuza got the sword Suigetsu wants. Quote:
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Why do you think Karin was made a special case and attacked by Sasuke ? Because unlike Suigetsu and Juugo, she hadn't any other ties, so she had to be given a reason to forsake Sasuke. Quote:
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2010-12-28, 00:33 | Link #82 |
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1) Why isn't Samehada with the previous wielder? It's crap that Zabuza gets his sword summoned while the other guy doesn't.
2) What the hell, apparently Kabutomaru knows exactly what's going on, on an even better level than Nagato could with the Pein bodies. Those 2 points alone seriously hamper my enjoyment of the manga. Nevermind the sword thing, that's just bs.. But making even the Rinnegan's ability look lame is just wrong.
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2010-12-28, 01:04 | Link #83 | |||
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I think eventually it's possible that Suigetsu and Juugo encounter Zabuza and maybe other swordsmen. I don't know about them entering the current battle. They already said their current goal is finding Sasuke and Karin. Quote:
Kabuto can perceive what's going on but it's not the same as Rinnegan. He's not actually experiencing their point-of-view. Quote:
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2010-12-28, 01:10 | Link #84 | |
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Kabuto does know of the Zombvies activities, but he isn't controlling them (beyond their brainwashing), nor does he appear to be "seeing" through their eyes. In fact, the board game he has set-up seems to correspond to how he wishes them to move, rather than an active control over their bodies (ala the Paths of Pain). |
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2010-12-28, 01:44 | Link #85 | |||
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Also, after rereading the chapter, I noticed Suigetsu said the security suddenly loosened. Which means that scene took place when the samurais left their country to join the alliance army, not during the Kakashi's battle. (or Suigetsu would say security loosened days ago, not "suddenly") It's like when Naruto ran after Sakura who ran after Sasuke. Kishi waited for the last moment to show Naruto starting to move. Quote:
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I don't see why he would have the audio, but not the video. I think his perception of the zombies is just as good as Nagato's perception of Pain. |
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2010-12-28, 02:16 | Link #86 |
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^Even if Kabuto can see what they are doing (which I am not necessarily convinced of), it is still not the same as Nagato who not only saw (and presumably felt) what the bodies did, but directly controlled the bodies (they were shells for Nagato's will, whereas the zombies are, at worst, puppets to Kabuto). So, ultimately their perceptions are still very different.
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2010-12-28, 03:49 | Link #87 | |
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I am trying to understand what Kabuto means about it being to his advantage to let six of the zombies retain their personalities. I am saying six because when he said it, we saw closeups on Itachi, Kakuzu, Nagato, Asuma, Dan, and Hizashi. This was right after Kabuto said that leaving the personalities of Team SasoDei is what led to their defeat. So wouldn't that mean he has to take their personalities away?
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Kishi can be a little sketchy with his timeline, but even he can't write Suigetsu and Juugo in this current battle from that position. They are likely hours if not days away from the conflict they know nothing about. A conflict they have no business being apart of anyway. Remember, they are wanted criminals. They will likely try to avoid thousands of armed ninja who will kill them. I honestly see them doing exactly what they say. They will look for Sasuke and Karin which will take them out of the story again. The war is just way big and too many important characters need screetime for anyone to worry about what Sasuke's non-important former lackeys are doing. They were shown in this chapter to update their status and to show what happened to Zabuza's cleaver. I do like the idea of Mei Terumi and her little bodyguard involving themselves in the 7 Swordsmen fight. We saw her with the other Kages in Kumo, but have not seem her since the army marched. But it doesn't make sense with the story. Gaara seems to be the only Kage who marched with the army. The other Kages seem to be staying in Kumo. It makes much more sense that Mei is personally guarding the turtle island that Naruto is in. Kakashi is going to have to get support from another division.
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2010-12-28, 03:59 | Link #88 | ||
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Naruto started his trick on Yamato after Kiba revealed they were 1 km from Sasuke. Danzou was already dead. Yet Yamato had the time to nap and to give Naruto enough time to rest before Sakura ran this kilometer. (the skirmish with her teammates was very short). Kishi didn't darken the panels except for the panels when Naruto was running and reminiscing how he tricked Yamato. Quote:
And if they don't fight, they won't fight ever and will just be written out of the story. What purpose are they to Sasuke now ? Suigetsu and the swordsmen of the Mist ? who cares, that's not like this was all what was the character was about. |
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2010-12-28, 09:08 | Link #89 | |
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Kabuto is in control of the current fighting Forces being "directed" by Madara, both of whom don't care about Sasuke's team. As Sasuke is now, I doubt that he would even care weather or not they were killed by the alliance or zombies as he kinda just left them there to draw the heat while he attacked the Kages. He even made a promise to Jugo when they first met, but clearly isn't thinking about it now. I don't see Suigetsu draging Jugo into a fight to obtain a broken sword that wasn't his to begin with. Thou at the same time some dialouge between Suigetsu and the mist swords could be very comical(if they weren't already mindless).
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2010-12-28, 10:57 | Link #90 | |
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Kimimaro was the one restraining Suigetsu (Sasuke was merely his replacement from his own words). Now it's time for Juugo to return the favor and let Kimimaro rest in peace. |
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2010-12-28, 14:04 | Link #91 | ||
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Suigetsu might pick up the sword after the battle is over and the troops have been either killed or have long moved on. Cause as I said, they would be killed on sight if they went anywhere near the fighting. Quote:
No matter what background stories they have, their existence in the story is based solely on Sasuke. That's their only role in the story. So they will go after Karin(which will lead them to Konoha and away from the war) and then seek Sasuke. This will occur offscreen since no one wants valuable panel time wasted on them. Perhaps they will be part of EMS Sasuke's Moral Event Horizon at a later date. Rock Lee will fight Kimimaro. Kimimaro outclassed Lee when they first fought. To show his improvement, Kishi will have Lee defeat Kimimaro.
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2010-12-28, 16:39 | Link #93 |
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I think it's possible Suigetsu and Juugo could end up in the battle, but I also like the idea of them searching for Sasuke. They know where Madara's Hideout is, so maybe they will head back there and in doing so, stumble across Kabuto. All three have worked or been an Orochimaru pawn at one time or another. I would imagine they know Kabuto.
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2010-12-28, 17:20 | Link #94 |
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Blah. The less I see of Lee, the better. I much preffer the Juugo v. Kimimaro line-up rather than anything to do with Rock Lee. If Kishimoto had to decide, I hope he goes for Juugo over Lee, but, if nothing else, I hope for a tag team rather than just Lee, because Lee v. Kimiaro has far less emotional impact than Juugo v. Kimimaro.
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2010-12-28, 23:54 | Link #95 | |||
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Asuma and Shikamaru? Okay I get it. Kishimoto based a whole arc around it. Neji and Hizashi? Father and son. The whole reason for Neji's angst. Tsunade and Dan? Her fiance. Gaara and the Kazekage? His father who put him through hell. Itachi and Sasuke? Do we even need to go there? Those are emotional roller-coaster fights with development. The rest don't measure up. I don't want to see Lee fight Kimi either. And please god no drunk Lee. A Lee/Sakura tag team against Haku would be preferable. Quote:
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The key might be to get into as many fights with the zombies as possible to overload Kabuto. It might take all the divisions, the Kages, and Naruto facing 30 plus zombies at the same time. Than TnJ will come back into play. And I think we can all imagine a scenario where some of zombies like Itachi, in their last act, kill Kabuto. |
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2010-12-29, 00:57 | Link #96 | |
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In other words, Kimimaro v. Juugo fits quite well with the other emotional fights you've listed (and current lack of definition on part of the participants only encourages the possibility since it would allow Kishimoto to wrap up the characters story in a few chapters). (And, let’s face it, Lee really doesn’t have a specific story beyond his desire to prove his self worth, and honestly I’d hate to waste time on a chapter where the sole point of a fight is for a character to feel good about themselves.) |
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Their best bet would be to go to Madara's hideout and rejoin with Sasuke, but how long is that going to take? Not to mention Juugo doesn't have the Sharingan tranquilizing pill. Quote:
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Lee is just a one-dimensional Gai-clone as useless as Juugo, the only difference is Lee has had 2 fights (that he has lost) versus Juugo's mini-battles (that he has lost). Hell, the simple fact that we've never seen Juugo go all out makes me more interested (from a purely visceral level) in a fight between Juugo and Kimimaro than anything Lee would do (let's face it, anything Lee would do in such a fight would simply be what we've already seen Gai do in his stupid battle with Kisame, at least with Juugo, while he would just use his transformations, there could at least be some variance we do not know about (or something else along those lines). That being said isn't "Who cares" a fairly silly question? Obviously I do (to an extent), as do some of the others that have mentioned the potential battle. True, we care more from the perspective of simply finishing the various characters stories (insert generic Nobodyman comment concerning Kishimoto's writing abilities ), but in the end that is far more than simply wishing to see Lee win against a former opponent... Quote:
Never claimed it was good, and I never claimed I liked the lack of detail. Rather, I said Lee v. Kimimaro was less "emotional" than Juugo v. Kimimaro. Whether I like the resulting match-up or not has nothing to do with my statement concerning the issue. |
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