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Kadi · 2013-06-13, 06:46

Let's see. In volume 3...

Spoiler for Vol 3:

sunsown · 2013-06-13, 06:58

Spoiler for Questions in Volume 3.:

GreyZone · 2013-06-13, 09:24

Damn... why do I have to wait for Manga chapter 2 till August? How am I supposed to give this series a try when all I can read are subjective summaries of 2 people where one person is only half-motivated and the other openly shows his dislike of the series... well...

Kadi · 2013-06-13, 09:25

Spoiler for Vol 3:

sunsown · 2013-06-13, 11:07

@Kadi Awsome. Thanks for the answers.

rickiminato · 2013-06-13, 20:35

maybe a power up for basara was he release a full armor, increase his heroe power

whitecloud · 2013-06-13, 21:57

So...it means more oppai...more power...?hahaha

Log · 2013-06-14, 01:40

Kadi's earlier assessment is correct. I thought it had potential but eh, it's pretty fucking bad.

This honestly make stuff like Campione! look shakespearen in comparison (not saying Campione! is badly writen but you have to admit, it has a lot of flaws).

It would work so much better if it was DxD like and didn't take things seriously but it does and preceds to fall flat on it's face.

My earlier offer to summerize it still stands but that's only if Xin stops (which he hopefully won't) and if people interest in it continue.

ZeKeR · 2013-06-15, 01:03

... I gotta ask.... does Maria's side job involve giving Basara "them" dreams? she is a succubus and all so I wonder if she actually does it.

dragon1412 · 2013-06-16, 12:46

I already warn you guys a few pages ago, while i don't think this is particularly bad, i think its plain instead. Reason:
- While the series start out ok, it's way too simple so far, if you ignore the H part then it's pretty much the same as other jump shounen manga.
- The MC, Basara could be considered Akatsuki clone, from abilities to weapon, even fighting method
- Extremely simple fight, same as Hagure yuusha, a match of power level competion, zero tactics(ok might be but still no diffirent from zero).
Basically, if you guys haven't know about Hagure Yuusha yet, then it''s above average, if you already know, then it's rather plain.
Both side calm down, Kadi, you should know that most translator on the net are volunteer and unprofessional one, mistake is unavoidable, scratch that, even professional one make mistake, though very rare, so while critismis is perfectly ok, do you have to put it that way, there are many other way you could have express it, same goes for setsuna and xin, i know you feel offended but if both sides keep bending on this it will reach nowhere and hit the bystander who simply want to discuss normally.
P.S : Oreimo, Valvrave and now this too, have i been granted the power of Imagine breaker

Magin · 2013-06-20, 00:31

And so we have misunderstanding number two in this thread, and it's practically the same one as before...

the short version: the majority of us here want the summary, but the ones who can provide it (other than Archmage Xin) are basically telling us it's not worth it. To which the rest of us (or at least myself) call Bullshit

kazzuya13 · 2013-06-20, 00:56

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Originally Posted by Magin

And so we have misunderstanding number two in this thread, and it's practically the same one as before...

the short version: the majority of us here want the summary, but the ones who can provide it (other than Archmage Xin) are basically telling us it's not worth it. To which the rest of us (or at least myself) call Bullshit

If it is not worth it then why did they read it in the first place anyway.

ArchmageXin · 2013-06-20, 09:24

Well, to be fair, such people always existed. I have my favorite hated series as well, I really dislike Infinite Stratos, High School DXD, ID-Fusion Fantasy, Bloody Monday and that series about Butei bodyguards that escape me.

And I am sure there would be people offended by my assertions. Though since so many people had said it is bad, I guess they could be right.

TJP1600 · 2013-06-20, 13:54

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Originally Posted by kazzuya13

If it is not worth it then why did they read it in the first place anyway.

You read it, find out it's not that good, then drop it. At least that's what I did, some people here are probably reluctant to drop a book they already committed time to. How are you supposed to know it's not worth it other than reading it and finding out for yourself if you don't have any information about the series? Well, now the thread has some info but not when I first took a glance at it.

GreyZone · 2013-06-20, 15:02

I started to view things a bit different lately. If certain things are there that I like and certain other things are missing that I dislike, then I don't even care how bad the "writing" quality is. As long as you can enjoy it, who cares about an "objective quality" anyway? For this series it is hard to tell though... From the content that I got to see from the summary, this actually seems to be a PARODY about almost every single thing/trope that I hate about most Manga/Anime/LN, which makes it quite appealing to me. But it judging something based on summaries alone is impossible. Guess I have to wait for the manga for now.

Kadi · 2013-06-20, 16:13

Campione pokes fun at the usual shounen tropes, sometimes outright deconstructing them. This... doesn't. All that molesting and power levels and stuff are serious business here, but not to an (intentionally) comical degree.

And I agree, sometimes it's enough if there are some elements you like while the most annoying ones are missing. In this one's case, the molesting is refreshing, if exaggerated, and Mio has a nice scene once in a while. So I'll probably give the fourth volume of this a try, too, but if Yuki is too much of a cockblock or general annoyance or if I feel hit over the head with Serious Emotions (TM) too much... G'bye, novel, I won't miss you~~

Not that other LNs are necessarily more subtle, but before I let that get in my way and become jaded, I move on to other pastures.

dragon1412 · 2013-06-21, 09:28

I never rate this one bad in the 1st place, the only thing i have problem with is it being too much similar to hagure Yuusha. Other than that, i'm considering the novel is ok to read and the H- scenes is a treat to me.

cramped · 2013-06-21, 09:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by TJP1600

You read it, find out it's not that good, then drop it. At least that's what I did, some people here are probably reluctant to drop a book they already committed time to. How are you supposed to know it's not worth it other than reading it and finding out for yourself if you don't have any information about the series? Well, now the thread has some info but not when I first took a glance at it.

Haha, different ppl, different opinions.

P.S. I love your signature TJP, about being restrained and wanting to be liberated.

rickiminato · 2013-07-10, 15:25

the chapter 2 are realese

kampfer91 · 2013-07-10, 17:33

It been long since i last read a manga in which the main male char is a true badass to begin with .

2013-06-13, 06:46	Link #101
Kadi 知識の探求者 Join Date: Feb 2012	Let's see. In volume 3... Spoiler for Vol 3: ... the bad guy for the volume is a dirty old man-demon who is introduced by having sex with his harem. Not very graphic, but honest to devil sex. Btw, this is the guy who slaughtered Mio's parents ... Basara molests Mio into submission in the school's girls shower room. ... makes master-servant contract with Yuki, too, because she won't take no for an answer, anywhere (btw, she moved in with him at the end of volume 2) ... Maria acts very suspiciously. And not generally amusing for the first time. ... Basara has to defend Mio's virginity from said dirty old man-demon, because if he does get her first time, she'll have betrayed Basara in the worst way, the curse will trigger and she go mad and/or die with/from pleasure. Yawn. ... we learn that actually, Maria has a trump card that would've let her solo the enemies of volume 2 with ease, if she had used it. Yawn. ... the boss-fight was very, very mehhh. ... was completely free of surprises. Again. So, yeah, the enemy's threat level is artificially and thus inefficiently raised (at some point I even wanted him to win. Just because). There are more convenient power ups we never heard of before. We're still hit over the head and pummeled to near death with whenever the author wants us to feel something. Overall, it's quite bad. The sex scenes are nice, again, but the rest~~. Keep walking, there's nothing to see here. P.S.: If this wasn't a harem, Yuki would be the annoying cockblock. Now she just ruins Mio's sweet moments.

2013-06-13, 06:58	Link #102
sunsown Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012	Spoiler for Questions in Volume 3.: Are there 2 succubi? I see one is a small girl and the other is a woman. Or are the both of them Maria? Who is the lady demon who also appeared in volume 2? Was she defeated in volume 3? There is a picture in which Basara kisses Mio. Does this really happen? In the last picture, Basara is shown like a bad ass and looking down on the old geezer? Was it before Basara killed the old guy? In the colored pictures Basara is on the ground with blood flowing on the side of his face. Who was he facing and how did he powerup to defeat the enemy? I read a couple of pages that both Yuki and Mio (sealed state) are B ranks. Have they powered up? What rank is Basara at present?

2013-06-13, 09:24	Link #103
GreyZone "Senior" "Member" Join Date: Jan 2012	Damn... why do I have to wait for Manga chapter 2 till August? How am I supposed to give this series a try when all I can read are subjective summaries of 2 people where one person is only half-motivated and the other openly shows his dislike of the series... well... __________________

2013-06-13, 09:25	Link #104
Kadi 知識の探求者 Join Date: Feb 2012	Spoiler for Vol 3: You see 2 Succubi who look very similar, one young, one grown-up, the older one being tastier because she has boobs. I told you Maria found a way to power up, and since she's a succubus, she should get hotter doing it. MIGHT THERE BE A CONNECTION!?! The demon lady from volume 2 is Zest. I think it was already said she serves the killer of Mio's parents. I said the killer of Mio's parents, an dirty old man-demon, is the boss of this volume and you saw him in dire straits in one illustration. If she was all well and stuff, wouldn't she help him? He's her master after all... she might not even have a choice if she wanted one, due to the contract business and stuff... If Basara didn't kiss Mio... why would there be an illustration of it? Without any kind of hazy details that would hint at a delusion/imagination/dream state? And the power ups come with the contract, or rather, the more they trust each other, the more power the contract grants them. Once they trust each other 110%, the contract is released and they're like invincible. It's said nobody who ever pushed the contract that far has lost afterwards. Anyway, both girls have a contract with Basara, so we're told they got more powerful. Ironically, we need to be told when that power up saves their asses because it's not noticeable otherwise. They could've just gone with "guts and emotions kicked in, deus ex machina", too, without the contractual power up. Except... then Basara wouldn't need to molest the girls into submission (shortcut to deepening mutual trust, apparently), and then this series would become utterly forgettable. As for the Basara and Old Guy (name's Zolgia, by the way), go find some clues yourself. Last edited by Daniel E.; 2013-06-20 at 02:48.

2013-06-13, 20:35	Link #106
rickiminato Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Mexico	maybe a power up for basara was he release a full armor, increase his heroe power __________________

2013-06-13, 11:07	Link #105
sunsown Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012	@Kadi Awsome. Thanks for the answers.

2013-06-13, 21:57	Link #107
whitecloud Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	So...it means more oppai...more power...?hahaha __________________ Friends are nice.......

2013-06-14, 01:40	Link #108
Log ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Join Date: Apr 2012	Kadi's earlier assessment is correct. I thought it had potential but eh, it's pretty fucking bad. This honestly make stuff like Campione! look shakespearen in comparison (not saying Campione! is badly writen but you have to admit, it has a lot of flaws). It would work so much better if it was DxD like and didn't take things seriously but it does and preceds to fall flat on it's face. My earlier offer to summerize it still stands but that's only if Xin stops (which he hopefully won't) and if people interest in it continue. Last edited by Daniel E.; 2013-06-20 at 02:49.

2013-06-15, 01:03	Link #109
ZeKeR Superbad Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Armacham Replica Training center	... I gotta ask.... does Maria's side job involve giving Basara "them" dreams? she is a succubus and all so I wonder if she actually does it. __________________ lets roll

2013-06-16, 12:46	Link #110
dragon1412 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: somewhere in Asia	I already warn you guys a few pages ago, while i don't think this is particularly bad, i think its plain instead. Reason: - While the series start out ok, it's way too simple so far, if you ignore the H part then it's pretty much the same as other jump shounen manga. - The MC, Basara could be considered Akatsuki clone, from abilities to weapon, even fighting method - Extremely simple fight, same as Hagure yuusha, a match of power level competion, zero tactics(ok might be but still no diffirent from zero). Basically, if you guys haven't know about Hagure Yuusha yet, then it''s above average, if you already know, then it's rather plain. Both side calm down, Kadi, you should know that most translator on the net are volunteer and unprofessional one, mistake is unavoidable, scratch that, even professional one make mistake, though very rare, so while critismis is perfectly ok, do you have to put it that way, there are many other way you could have express it, same goes for setsuna and xin, i know you feel offended but if both sides keep bending on this it will reach nowhere and hit the bystander who simply want to discuss normally. P.S : Oreimo, Valvrave and now this too, have i been granted the power of Imagine breaker

2013-06-20, 00:31	Link #111
Magin #1 Akashiya Moka Fan Author Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Where magic is real Age: 35	And so we have misunderstanding number two in this thread, and it's practically the same one as before... the short version: the majority of us here want the summary, but the ones who can provide it (other than Archmage Xin) are basically telling us it's not worth it. To which the rest of us (or at least myself) call Bullshit __________________ Gifted...or Cursed? R+V fanfic- Chapter 4 of A Water Bride and a Vampire is now up at FF.net! All fans of Inner or Outer Moka, come join her fanclub!

2013-06-20, 09:24	Link #113
ArchmageXin Master of Coin Join Date: Mar 2008	Well, to be fair, such people always existed. I have my favorite hated series as well, I really dislike Infinite Stratos, High School DXD, ID-Fusion Fantasy, Bloody Monday and that series about Butei bodyguards that escape me. And I am sure there would be people offended by my assertions. Though since so many people had said it is bad, I guess they could be right. __________________

2013-06-20, 15:02	Link #115
GreyZone "Senior" "Member" Join Date: Jan 2012	I started to view things a bit different lately. If certain things are there that I like and certain other things are missing that I dislike, then I don't even care how bad the "writing" quality is. As long as you can enjoy it, who cares about an "objective quality" anyway? For this series it is hard to tell though... From the content that I got to see from the summary, this actually seems to be a PARODY about almost every single thing/trope that I hate about most Manga/Anime/LN, which makes it quite appealing to me. But it judging something based on summaries alone is impossible. Guess I have to wait for the manga for now. __________________

2013-06-20, 16:13	Link #116
Kadi 知識の探求者 Join Date: Feb 2012	Campione pokes fun at the usual shounen tropes, sometimes outright deconstructing them. This... doesn't. All that molesting and power levels and stuff are serious business here, but not to an (intentionally) comical degree. And I agree, sometimes it's enough if there are some elements you like while the most annoying ones are missing. In this one's case, the molesting is refreshing, if exaggerated, and Mio has a nice scene once in a while. So I'll probably give the fourth volume of this a try, too, but if Yuki is too much of a cockblock or general annoyance or if I feel hit over the head with Serious Emotions (TM) too much... G'bye, novel, I won't miss you~~ Not that other LNs are necessarily more subtle, but before I let that get in my way and become jaded, I move on to other pastures.

2013-06-21, 09:28	Link #117
dragon1412 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: somewhere in Asia	I never rate this one bad in the 1st place, the only thing i have problem with is it being too much similar to hagure Yuusha. Other than that, i'm considering the novel is ok to read and the H- scenes is a treat to me.

2013-07-10, 15:25	Link #119
rickiminato Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Mexico	the chapter 2 are realese __________________

2013-07-10, 17:33	Link #120
kampfer91 Master Eugenist Join Date: Jul 2013	It been long since i last read a manga in which the main male char is a true badass to begin with .