Macross Frontier - Episode 24 Discussion / Poll

[golthin]

Originally Posted by BetoJR

p0wned!1!one

@Seifall: Do you really not understand the meaning of Alto's interjection?

I have not watched the raw, that said....

Spoiler:

that "but" can have so many meanings and it is another trolling from Kawamori!

Ranka fans interpretation

But...I promised to be with you till the end.

Sheryl fans interpretation
But...I love you.

[Ja-Y-Ce]

Originally Posted by golthin

I have not watched the raw, that said....

Spoiler:

that "but" can have so many meanings and it is another trolling from Kawamori!

Ranka fans interpretation

But...I promised to be with you till the end.

Sheryl fans interpretation
But...I love you.

who cares?? let's juz all wait for him to come back and give us a damn good ending to everything

[Haninozuka]

musouka, thanks for translating the entire dialogue!

Sheryl is so admirably selfless here. After she misheard Alto saying he loved Ranka in the last episode, she didn't mope or wallow in self-pity. Instead, she urged him to save Ranka.

She's right. Alto better realize that he'll never come across a woman this good ever!

[golthin]

Originally Posted by musouka

Oh dear, you seem to be the one missing lines, Seifall. Here, have a full version.

Spoiler:

Sheryl: Let's stop pretending to be lovers.
Alto: Wait, Sheryl! I--
[she kisses him]
Sheryl: Don't say a thing. If you tell me now, no matter what you want to say to me, I know I...I won't be able to sing. So, please, don't say anything.
[she walks away]
Sheryl: After it's all over, we can continue this conversation. So...so, please, Alto! Please save Ranka-chan.
[she takes off her earring and gives it to him]
Sheryl: If you can do that, I'll listen to what you have to say.
[she smiles as she puts it on him]
Sheryl: You have to come back, understand, Alto?
Alto: [whispering] Sheryl...
Sheryl: Don't forget, you don't come across a woman this good every day!
[Alto, tosses his head so earring sparkles]
Alto: Yeah.

ahh! seems pretty much resolved to me! still i knew it since episode 21!

[cheesie]

Sheryl is saying it's time for this two-week dream to end. Alto has realized that people should not fly alone. He needs two people to fly, meaning that he needs Sheryl to support his wings and that, he will fly back to her. Chances that he was talking about Ranka is completely nil because he just said he'd kill her last episode.

The music that was playing in Alto x Sheryl's scene is the same music that was played in Episode 6, when Alto was beginning to take off and Sheryl starts to sing, after she gives him the earring.

Here, they are doing the same thing, Alto goes off to fight, and Sheryl confesses to him with her kiss, but tells him they will continue this conversation after everything is over. "If a pilot's job is to fight, then my job is to sing." They both know where their responsibilities lie. She gives him the earring, and the difference is, though Alto has lost her earring the first time, he won't make the same mistake again, he will come back to her with her earring this time.

[Ja-Y-Ce]

yea, he will return the earring this time round... and finally make his own confession to her.

*fangirl mood* awwww, so sweet.

[Danish78]

Waiting for interpretations of the SDF M picture book ending as a preview to ep25. Anybody care to share their take?

[Haninozuka]

Just a thought, if Sheryl has given Alto her only earring, does this mean she doesn't need it anymore when she sings?

Will the Fold Waves of her voice be strong enough now without the crystals to amplify them?

[Ja-Y-Ce]

her fold waves is strong enough due to her sickness...but of course, not strong enough to compare to Ranka... =)

[Seifall]

After watching it, Alto said he will be back and goes for the battle......
And said people people can't fly alone . She make him realize he is dense like always and says they should stop to be like lovers and he said his but.
after we see a Sheryl who don't want him to continue what he was going to say ....
And yes he talked about sheryl when he said something about not flying alone.
But if people saw it, Sheryl didn't want to hear his whole speech about not flying alone so being with her, because she knows perfectly Alto would tell lies if he kept talking.
Sheryl knows him now that's why she doesn't want to hear him and said she will not be able to sing.
Why would she not being able to sing if the BUT, people are saying I didn't understand, means BUT I love you ?

[MaiHikari]

Originally Posted by Seifall

After watching it, Alto said he will be back and goes for the battle......
And said people people can't fly alone . She make him realize he is dense like always and says they should stop to be like lovers and he said his but.
after we see a Sheryl who don't want him to continue what he was going to say ....
And yes he talked about sheryl when he said something about not flying alone.
But if people saw it, Sheryl didn't want to hear his whole speech about not flying alone so being with her, because she knows perfectly Alto would tell lies if he kept talking.
Sheryl knows him now that's why she doesn't want to hear him and said she will not be able to sing.
Why would she not being able to sing if the BUT, people are saying I didn't understand, means BUT I love you ?

Sheryl's perspective and interpretation is different from Alto's. What part of she lacks confidence in love do you not understand? She's dying and has a bleak outlook on the future. Of course her expectations on what he would say will be negative. Why are you using Sheryl's state of mind to measure Alto's feelings? Shouldn't you be looking strictly at what Alto says and does? You adapted to Sheryl's point of view because it's convenient for your shipping needs. Step outside and look at it objectively.

[Ja-Y-Ce]

@Seifall: IMO, she doesn't want to hear Alto's speech... regardless it's a "but i promise that i will stay beside you... even though my heart goes to Ranka" or "but I love you, and we are not pretending at all" - any of these 2, will definitely cause all emotional stir-up in her, and she can't afford it... simply because she is a pro "if pilot is there to fly, as a singer, her job is to sing". She wants to keep a "simple" mindset as of now, to sing as her own responsibility.

That's the reason why she tells Alto that they will continue the conversation after the battle.

If you think from Sheryl fan's POV (juz like you are thinking from Ranka's), you should be able to understand why we will tend to think in that way.

anyhow, just some random joke n stuff to chill things out:

Spoiler:

Imagine Alto's VF has juz fallen into another planet, and there he is ...being nursed by some hime by the name of "Lacus Clyne" , who too, sing songs...

lalalalalalala

so, will he be back? with a SEED mode? Season 2? good way to solve his triangle too... another woman. lolz. amnesia or something...

[cheesie]

Originally Posted by Seifall

After watching it, Alto said he will be back and goes for the battle......
And said people people can't fly alone . She make him realize he is dense like always and says they should stop to be like lovers and he said his but.
after we see a Sheryl who don't want him to continue what he was going to say ....
And yes he talked about sheryl when he said something about not flying alone.
But if people saw it, Sheryl didn't want to hear his whole speech about not flying alone so being with her, because she knows perfectly Alto would tell lies if he kept talking.
Sheryl knows him now that's why she doesn't want to hear him and said she will not be able to sing.
Why would she not being able to sing if the BUT, people are saying I didn't understand, means BUT I love you ?

Out of all your arguments, this is one which you're fighting desperately the most, Seifall. Relax a bit. Episode 6 answers all your questions. She is a singer, and he is a pilot, and they both have responsibilities to fulfill. Once everything is over, then they will come together again.

This is Sheryl's confession, just as Ranka had her confession in Episode 21. But the difference is, Sheryl's confession is full of hope, whereas Ranka's was filled with resignation and sadness. Sheryl's feelings will be the one in focus in the next episode preview: "Sheryl's feelings, Ranka's song, Alto's dream."

Spoiler for And the most powerful symbolism in the episode...:

Alto's VF exploding in Ranka's hands.

[bkg9990]

Raw is out! /o/

[Tsuchiro]

Originally Posted by bkg9990

Raw is out! /o/

it's been out

[bkg9990]

Originally Posted by Tsuchiro

it's been out

haha I asked in IRC

[golthin]

Originally Posted by Ja-Y-Ce

@Seifall: IMO, she doesn't want to hear Alto's speech... regardless it's a "but i promise that i will stay beside you... even though my heart goes to Ranka" or "but I love you, and we are not pretending at all" - any of these 2, will definitely cause all emotional stir-up in her, and she can't afford it... simply because she is a pro "if pilot is there to fly, as a singer, her job is to sing". She wants to keep a "simple" mindset as of now, to sing as her own responsibility.

That's the reason why she tells Alto that they will continue the conversation after the battle.

If you think from Sheryl fan's POV (juz like you are thinking from Ranka's), you should be able to understand why we will tend to think in that way.

anyhow, just some random joke n stuff to chill things out:

it can go either way like Ja-Y-Ce said! so kawamori still can go either way. I still believe this was resolved in episode 21 and because of sheryl's condition she still thinks the he is with her for pity.

LT aside, I can wait to see alto getting pwned!

[.Mero]

Holy crappers!!!
That was some rollercoaster ride o_O

I need to watch that again, need subs for full understanding, but this was really something..
Have to wait a whole damn week now -_-;

[glyph]

Originally Posted by Tsuchiro

I'm uling the horribleraw on MegaUL atm


oh and if it hasn't been said yet. Sheryl is confirmed as Mao's granddaughter

Spoiler:

Is that a copy of the supposed photo

Spoiler:

Bilrer is supposed to have, I wonder?
His goal is apparently to meet someone again. Who?
Could it be that Mao is the Hermes to his Densha Otoko?

[Seifall]

Originally Posted by MaiHikari

Sheryl's perspective and interpretation is different from Alto's. What part of she lacks confidence in love do you not understand? She's dying and has a bleak outlook on the future. Of course her expectations on what he would say will be negative. Why are you using Sheryl's state of mind to measure Alto's feelings? Shouldn't you be looking strictly at what Alto says and does? You adapted to Sheryl's point of view because it's convenient for your shipping needs. Step outside and look at it objectively.

OK.

Originally Posted by Ja-Y-Ce

@Seifall: IMO, she doesn't want to hear Alto's speech... regardless it's a "but i promise that i will stay beside you... even though my heart goes to Ranka" or "but I love you, and we are not pretending at all" - any of these 2, will definitely cause all emotional stir-up in her, and she can't afford it... simply because she is a pro "if pilot is there to fly, as a singer, her job is to sing". She wants to keep a "simple" mindset as of now, to sing as her own responsibility.

That's the reason why she tells Alto that they will continue the conversation after the battle.

If you think from Sheryl fan's POV (juz like you are thinking from Ranka's), you should be able to understand why we will tend to think in that way.

anyhow, just some random joke n stuff to chill things out:

Spoiler:

Imagine Alto's VF has juz fallen into another planet, and there he is ...being nursed by some hime by the name of "Lacus Clyne" , who too, sing songs...

lalalalalalala

so, will he be back? with a SEED mode? Season 2? good way to solve his triangle too... another woman. lolz. amnesia or something...

He will make the myu come back.

Originally Posted by crisis

Out of all your arguments, this is one which you're fighting desperately the most, Seifall. Relax a bit. Episode 6 answers all your questions. She is a singer, and he is a pilot, and they both have responsibilities to fulfill. Once everything is over, then they will come together again.

This is Sheryl's confession, just as Ranka had her confession in Episode 21. But the difference is, Sheryl's confession is full of hope, whereas Ranka's was filled with resignation and sadness. Sheryl's feelings will be the one in focus in the next episode preview: "Sheryl's feelings, Ranka's song, Alto's dream."

Spoiler for And the most powerful symbolism in the episode...:

Alto's VF exploding in Ranka's hands.

I'm relaxed but you can't say the same for people who keep saying I didn't get it .
I got it.
Sheryl's feelings will be the one in focus in the next episode preview: "Sheryl's feelings, Ranka's song, Alto's dream."
The end was a big cliffhanger for the three.