2012-08-08, 15:16 | Link #3864 | |
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Alternatively, you need to consider the possibility that Fate recycles CGs. It is entirely possible they just chose to dump a bunch of existing weapon CGs to make a quick flashing sequence. Broken Phantasms are not fundamentally different from the Noble Phantasm. To make a Broken Phantasm, you have to first produce the Noble Phantasm. |
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2012-08-09, 16:32 | Link #3867 |
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Don't forget that he was injured by Saber, so he was in no place to fight. Plus, securing Rin and Saber's safety was also one his top priorities.
In UBW, he was at full power so he was able to handle going it alone, but in Fate he was in no shape to defend Rin from Berserker or anyone else. If he went rogue at that point everybody would have been killed by Ilya. |
2012-08-09, 23:08 | Link #3869 | |
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I'm pretty sure Archer could just backstab Shirou at any time, even with his weakness. :P |
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2012-08-10, 05:01 | Link #3871 | |
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Some of that is my interpretation of the character, but it's really what makes more sense, since, if killing Shirou had really been his goal in the Holy Grail War all along, then surely he would have acted on it from the start and not only after having to swallow Shirou's BS after saving him from Caster in UBW. |
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2012-08-10, 14:58 | Link #3873 |
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Rin would just command seal his ass instantly. He had to go through a million hoops and things that just ended up falling into place perfectly in UBW.
Plus after all that, even if he was successful, everyone he cares about in the War would end up dead thanks to the usual suspects. |
2012-08-11, 02:58 | Link #3874 | |
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A successful projection starts from Shirou's accurate analysis. However, he still needs to reproduce all the histories, mysteries, and materials that form the weapon. It is pointed out that Divine Weapons are beyond the reproducibility of UBW, so it's like you know how to make ice cream, but you don't have refrigeration (or cream), so you can't make ice cream. |
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2012-08-11, 04:01 | Link #3875 |
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I was thinking more like, his whole mission there is to kill Shirou (he wants to prevent "himself" from becoming Archer). I was thinking he'd do everything to get Shirou down, and then just concede his life, or run away, to prevent the whole loop-hole thing.
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2012-08-11, 07:52 | Link #3876 | |
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2012-08-11, 07:55 | Link #3877 |
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But things don't fall into place for him to do that in the Fate route. He needs to remove Saber's link from Shirou so that he doesn't just lolAvalon, and he either needs to do it in such a way that Rin won't be available/able/willing to use a Command Spell, or remove that possibility from the equation.
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2012-08-11, 09:48 | Link #3878 | |
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I think you're right about the other post, that he just wanted reassurance about the ideal thing. He could've just let berserker slaughter them all in Fate. |
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2012-08-11, 09:52 | Link #3879 |
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He had Avalon the entire time. Were you not paying attention? That's how he survived being cleaved in half by Berserker, among other instances of fatal actions.
And letting Berserker kill everyone wouldn't accomplish anything. He didn't want "Shirou to die", he wanted "Shirou to die by Emiya's hand", thus creating a paradox and deleting himself, and likely the entirety of that reality, all in one go. |
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