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2012-09-15, 06:59 | Link #30602 |
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It's final destination all over again, if they somehow escape their fate they NEED to die in some other way. Berkanstel then will reveal that of all the possible versions of Rokkenjima in existence everyone dies even when there's no Yasu, even where there's no explosion and even when there's no family meeting!
Then John Titor from steins;gate will pop up from her time machine and she will explain that it's all because of the attractor field.
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2012-09-15, 07:31 | Link #30603 | |||
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He lives on the island so he might know about Kuwadorian and could have said he went there to... hum... prepare an halloween party and the siblings were supposed to join him when KABOOM. Or that he and his family were supposed to take some stuffs from the place and carry them back. But actually even Eva might have made up a story that would have made it look all right for her to be there. What about 'before the storm I went out for a walk, got lost and ended here just when the storm was starting. Since it was safe I wanted to wait for the rain to stop before going back and I even used the telephone line to warn the others I was safe. No idea what happened to them, I just hear a KABOOM and then...' The really weird thing isn't that she's in Kuwadorian, it's that she offers no explanation about how or why she got there. Quote:
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What's odd is how no one seems to notice that Shannon and Kanon have the same face despite not being related. I mean... in Our confession Krauss and Natsuhi's attention might have been more focused on the gun than on Beato's face (people at whom was pointed a gun sometimes say they're unable to recognize/describe who did this because 'too focused on the gun') but what's their excuse for not noticing Shannon and Kanon's resemblance? They aren't so cold they don't look at the servants in the faces, and the matter becomes even more serious when you think at Battler, George and Jessica (or Erika, unless she was really that sure that servants couldn't be the culprits she never spared them a second glance) |
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2012-09-15, 08:07 | Link #30604 | |
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2012-09-15, 14:01 | Link #30605 | |
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The only confirmation of it we ever get is within a bunch of stories. At best, we know Kinzo had something he used to convince people he might have had a bunch of gold, and somebody had access to a bunch of money in 1986. Neither of those things proves the existence of the gold. If the gold did exist, you'd think unscrupulous salvagers would be crawling over the island crater and trawling the surrounding ocean trying to find even a trace of it. Gold does not naturally occur in high quantities on volcanic islands. It's alluvial and normally would be nearer to a river or something than the ocean. If you found gold dust in the sea or washed up on the freaking shore (because yes, this would happen), you could be reasonably confident that the gold had to have been real as there is little other explanation as to why you'd find any quantity of gold in Izu. Basically, if the gold existed, unless it was literally fused into a single lump by the blast there would be traces of it everywhere. And it would be pretty much impossible to conceal even with a police cover-up. Gold dust would probably be washing ashore at Nijima. You can't explain that away with weather balloons and swamp gas.
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2012-09-15, 14:25 | Link #30606 | |||
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It's weird because EP3's ???? repeatedly implies that Eva has the gold, somehow. Which contradicts everything else in the series, so it's probably best ignored, but it's still weird.
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2012-09-15, 15:24 | Link #30607 | ||||
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Though to be fair, I also thought Kanon was a girl pretty much until he died in Episode 4 of the anime, and he has the only "androgynous" sounding voice, to me. I don't think I'd believe Lion's voice as a boy, and Zepar's voice sounds too ... exaggerated? Though they're all voiced by women, so, /shrug Quote:
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On the other part, well, in EP2 Kyrie and Rosa were probably both asked to just lie. The only time it becomes a REAL problem is EP4, where at best we get "well it was dark and raining and she was high up." Hm, that would explain it. According to what we've just read, Krauss used "we have to think of Jessica" to make himself feel not-awful about complying, but you still think we'd get some passing notion of "Even Godha? Even MARIA..?", since the epitaph only describes 11 or 13 deaths. Quote:
Or, why not, the gold mountain still exists at the Kuwadorian. Eva bribed every single person, EVERY SINGLE PERSON who might expose it's existence with a gold ingot to themselves. Those things permeated the Tokyo underground for the next 10 years before all being properly traded off, and Ange never heard of them because she's a good girl who doesn't hang out in bad places. By the time of of EP8's ???, Ikuko's probably tracking them down for shiggles. Will demand her funeral to involve locking the entire mountain of them, and Eva's unlocked diary, into her own crypt with the words "Ahaha.wav" etched into the stone above. Tohya takes a moment to reevaluate his choices in romantic partners. |
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2012-09-15, 16:13 | Link #30608 | |
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2012-09-15, 16:28 | Link #30609 | ||||
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It's also possible though that Eva just made money through her business and people thought she instead finally decided to use Kinzo's inheritance. In the beginning if I'm not wrong Eva's finances were so bad she went so far as selling Kinzo's library to get some money... Eva simply never corrected their belief her money came from the gold and not from her hard work. Quote:
She's all for the 'let's hear the complete unprofessional guys' opinions and forget about the guys who first hand investigated the facts and the island with the proper means.' It's an incongruence. Quote:
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2012-09-16, 08:16 | Link #30613 |
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You'd expect Yasu to look a lot like Kinzo seeing as how they share 75% of their genes. The funny thing is that Battler is a Kinzo lookalike. BattlerxYasu is one hell of a narcissistic couple.
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2012-09-16, 15:18 | Link #30615 |
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If she looked like Kinzo, now I well fcking know why she refused to see her own ugly body and created embelishments everywere. Now I can't stop thinking about an old man with hairy legs and balding head inside a maid outfit.
Ugh. Yeah, YasuxBattler is a very narcissistic pairing. And not very convincing to boot. I'm just getting over all the incest in Umineko, so Yasu/ANYUshiromiya still makes me sick. Even more because the relationships are reaaally weird, even for the immune to incest vibes. Will/Claire. Yeah, that will be mi OTP. At least they're not related. Or Will/Lion, if she is actually a she. Ougon Musou introduced me to the world of crack pairing, and even Will/Bern doesn't sound that bad. Or Ronove/Virgilia. Hell, even Ronove/Battler. And there's a lot of yuri, too, between non-blood-related individuals
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2012-09-16, 15:54 | Link #30616 |
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In response to Patchwork Chimera, I think everything makes more sense if Yasu/Lion is a boy.
Random question: I know this is in there somewhere, but does Yasu ever find out that he/she is Kinzo's child? IIRC, he/she finds out about the baby being thrown off the cliff, but I don't remember if Kinzo tells him/her more than that. In EP7 Meta Kinzo goes on about "ohhh I want to tell Beatrice the truuuuth" so I'm led to believe that he doesn't in fact tell Yasu everything. |
2012-09-16, 16:28 | Link #30617 | ||
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It's made more interesting by the fact that in a sidestory it was said something along the line about how it's unlikely the two of them could show up in the same story and that the pairing Lion/Will would be an alternate version of the Beato/Battler pairing. Though everything is up to speculation. In Ougon it's implied Will is a detective Shannon created in a story she told to Ange. I'm not really bothered by the incest, especially in Umineko as Yasu and the cousins had no idea they were related when they fell in love and had things gone differently they would have never found out. Kinzo/Beato 2 however is a completely different matter as, not only he knew she was his daughter but apparently she wasn't even that willing and surely the environment in which he kept her doesn't make the situation any better. Quote:
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2012-09-16, 16:33 | Link #30618 | ||
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However, I do think Yasu believes this is who he/she is. And that's the only thing that really matters in this respect because the goal is to inform and explain Yasu's actions, not ask whether he/she really was Kinzo's incestuous rapebaby.
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2012-09-16, 17:07 | Link #30619 |
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I was mostly kidding about Yasu and her issue, but she had to be at least pretty regardless of her opinion. I mean, everybody wants her... and if Battler, who strikes me as the type who flirts with pretty girls, made that embarrasing pony promise to her, and then George tried to get her, and then Jessica tried to get her too... well.
On the other hand it could be the maid outfit. A lot of people loves meidos. I was skipping trough the early games. I don't remember exactly where, but there's a discussion that made me lol, where Jessica is talking about Sayo being her best friend in the guesthouse and George goes very defensive on her. George is all like 'Hey, everything's allright and we're gonna marry' with his weird glasses, and Jessica is 'You don't have to rub it in my face, you know?'. Shannon is just there being unconfortable. And apparently George had heard before about those two frienship (cue shiny glasses of doom and 'inmediate' response about going to marry soon). If one uses Shkanon in that scene, it gets really funny XD
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2012-09-16, 18:28 | Link #30620 | |
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You can only imagine what Yasu thought when Battler told her how his ideal woman should look like. I bet she started using pads even as Shannon because of that.
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