2008-09-10, 21:05 | Link #2321 | |
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The same way parents don't get to decide what is taught in science class, they don't get to decide whether their kid should be taught sex ed. It's not about not exposing your child to "indecent material", it's about giving them tools with which they can protect themselves. Parents who decide not to talk to their son about sex ever face a much greater danger of having an unwanted grandchild or digging an early grave for their kid. The government should acknowledge the existence of such parents and provide a standardized sex education to everybody, in order not only to protect the kids from their own parents, but also the whole of the society from those irresponsible parents.
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2008-09-10, 21:30 | Link #2322 |
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Hmm. This may be veering off topic, but what if the reason some parents do not want their kids to be taught sexual education is because they would like to talk to their children about it in their own terms?
Personally, I feel that way and I don't even have children yet. I've attended sex ed when I was younger, but I'd at least have a talk with my children on my own terms before letting them attend sex ed. I wouldn't want to feel rushed, so I'd rather have the option to have my children attend sex ed at a later date. |
2008-09-10, 21:51 | Link #2323 | |
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Getting back on topic, or at least more on topic, does anyone know what the Obama & McCain 9-11 event is, that is going on tomorrow. Is it a television special, or is it a debate? |
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2008-09-10, 22:34 | Link #2324 | ||
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Some day, before the kid is physically mature enough to conceive a child, you will have to do it. It's inevitable. Stripping the only layer of protection children have against their irresponsible parents (schooling) is not a very good way of handling your own selfishness. Either way, I was taught sex ed at 7 and I still haven't turned into a beastly sex machine. Though sometimes I'm not sure I don't regret that.
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2008-09-10, 23:13 | Link #2325 | |
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edit: I should mention that I am speaking entirely from an American perspective. If we were talking about an African nation, then yes I would agree that Sex Ed from the youngest age possible should be enforced (along with various other mandatory education programs). But, since I am talking about America, what I mentioned here is about right for USA. Last edited by james0246; 2008-09-11 at 01:45. |
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2008-09-10, 23:16 | Link #2326 | |
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How explicit does sex education need to be? It's not like the classes are there to give lessons--although much of this debate was sparked by curriculums (both implemented and only proposed) which practically did. Certainly, some diagrams are helpful for the physiological explanations, and some purposeful pictures are best for explaining certain things. But what need is there for anything "explicit" aside from what can be described as medical explanation? I really have to wonder what they're teaching five year olds as far as sex ed. A child lacks interest in sex for a reason, and overstepping those boundaries can have psychological consequences. Now, as some one who learned the proper names for things, the physiology behind reproduction and how to identify/report abuse before I could read, I think five year olds are perfectly capable of learning some things without being scarred for life (and would prefer they do), but even those need to be handled delicately with children--ideally at the right time and in a private, nurturing context. The problem, of course, is that some (most) parents aren't doing their jobs. But where do you start, and where do you draw the line? Most parents wouldn't object to a five year old being told what is and isn't appropriate touching, but there are some very prominent people in the US who think that it's also an appropriate time to start discussing masturbation, which is something that many parents would oppose vehemently. The divide causes people on both sides to harden and their stances in response to the other side, and so the debate goes on.
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2008-09-11, 08:09 | Link #2327 |
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_125548.html
That's it. I'm going to hide in my bunker and wait for the end times. |
2008-09-11, 08:16 | Link #2328 |
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Meh sex ed is overrated. What happened in the ol days where your cousins showed you porn. And youŽd be like. O_O
btw the whole lipstick on pigs thing. It didn't come across as sexist to me. People fail to notice the speach he said before that sentence. >_> |
2008-09-11, 08:46 | Link #2331 |
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The big problem is that Palin IS a woman, and even though what barack said WAS taken out of context, it's been skewed to sound sexist.
Frankly, although I like Obama (he aint sexist as far as I know) it is his fault. He should have known that that line would have been ripe material. |
2008-09-11, 08:49 | Link #2332 |
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I don't know. I'm just saying that claiming he wasn't talking about Palin at all is stretching the truth a bit, and that he really shouldn't have done that, not on those terms - it left him open to precisely the kind of attacks he's pelted with now.
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2008-09-11, 09:22 | Link #2333 | |
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http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_23/sr23_024.pdf (See Text Table 3 for the details.) About 6% of girls and 8% of boys report having had sex before age 15 in 2002. These rates nearly double over the next year though. The rates for black teens in these youngest age groups are three to four times the rates for whites, but by age 18 the percentage of black and white girls who have had sex are about equal. Higher percentages of black males report having had sex by age 18 than either black females or white males. Among whites, girls start a bit more slowly than boys, but are then more likely to engage in intercourse during the 15-17 years. For blacks, the reverse is true; more boys report having sex in these years than girls. The decline in reported sexual activity among teen-aged white males is truly striking. In 1988, 64% of white males reported having had sex by age 18; in 2002 that figure had fallen to 50%. For white females, the comparable figures are 54% in 1988 and 56% fourteen years later. Personally, I wouldn't call rates of 6-8% by age 14 "low," but this is obviously a matter of perception. I'd guess a non-trivial number of these early sexual experiences were not consensual but the result of rape and incest (including incestuous rape).
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2008-09-11, 09:32 | Link #2334 |
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I don't think Obama has anything to apologize for. In fact, I think he should go more on the attack from now on. The Republicans have been taking dig after dig after dig at him since the convention and it's about time he fought back......
.....is what I would say if I were American and the elections had anything to do with me.
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2008-09-11, 10:01 | Link #2335 | |
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I don't understand how kids would interpret it's something they can do if it's taught that way. I don't remember a single kid when I was 7 thinking about banging one of the girls in our class. Of course, when you get to the age of 12 or so, hormones start acting up and things change--so the idea is to get ready for that stage beforehand.
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2008-09-11, 10:40 | Link #2336 |
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Here's a little vid about Troopergate on ABC. I think it aired this morning:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr5hpJKuh-s The last couple of lines is amusing. It's politically motivated against Palin because 5/15 members are Democrats who support Obama! |
2008-09-11, 11:16 | Link #2337 | |
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as far as sex ed just show the guys a pic of p*nis with gonorrhea and tell them it will rot off if they catch std.
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2008-09-11, 12:04 | Link #2338 |
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If there was any reference to Palin it was talking about her claims to be a reformer. That expression is quite old and well known, meaning basicly changing some minor things then presenting an old, failed idea as something new. McCain himself used the expression before. Obama was clearly referring to McCain saying he's for change now, dispite agreeing with Bushy on almost everything. It's another artifical issue similiar to that whole flag pin thing during the primaries.
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2008-09-11, 12:17 | Link #2339 |
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I know. But he should have foreseen that people would associate the lipsticked pig with the lipsticked pitbull, and considering his subsequent remark, I think he did see it. Which would make the whole thing dumb, if nothing else. He should have used some other phrasing, one that didn't involve lipstick.
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