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Welcome to World War III-to-be, but if it DOES happen, I would like to join in the fight as a ground troop or mercenary. Maybe a few more close death encounters might knock sense into my thick skull which even the normal education system can't do. Sometimes I wonder if the stroke had really destroyed Kim's brain cells by the pound and prompt him for such stupidity. I mean, now that US has made "amends" and will probably get new "allies" in the next few months or so, it wouldn't be smart to do things like that. Even if China does support them, Russia isn't keen, neither is the rest of the world. Show some empathy for that few million people in the country man, they are the real victims here. It is bad enough to starve people of food, but starving them of peace is way too asinine.
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2009-06-08, 04:35 | Link #2942 |
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It sounds like North Korea was inspired by Iran with that sailor capturing incident. Even if it's an 'ally', I would've expected China not to stand for people violating their borders and capturing people in their lands.
I guess for North Korea it's all about sabre rattling and throwing a fit over such trivial things such as this in order to get any kind of attention. They even went as far as murder and risking a full scale war due to an arguement about cutting down a tree... so I guess it's not all that surprising.
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2009-06-08, 05:14 | Link #2943 |
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I think it took people a moment to realize what had happened -- if you listen, you can hear the tone change over the next few moments, and people are pointing... some people only look up a few seconds later and realize what that explosion was, like the guy who wanders out of the train.
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The only way to rescue these journalists would be to play it North Korea's way. Send some agents and abduct some important North Korea figures to exchange. If it doesn't work, apply pressure by threatening to execute the important North Korea figures. Basically, its using their tactics against them. It will work depending on what these important North Korean figures are. However, the American citizens may not agree with this sort of method but perhaps, the American citizens don't even care what happen to these poor ladies in the first place. 12 years is ought to be a very long time. All they can do now is obey North Korea's every order, work hard, never disagree, pretend to worship Kim Jong-Il after a period of time, win the trust of the North Korean tyranny regime and when they have the opportunity, sneak out and get the hell out there. Nobody will come to their aid as of now. If they seek to leave North Korea, they must do it themselves. Last edited by Shadow Kira01; 2009-06-08 at 11:36. Reason: updated |
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2009-06-08, 12:10 | Link #2946 | |
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Well he might just be looking from a paranoid's POV, but those are probable theories. But just as theories are, never proven till facts are presented.
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2009-06-08, 13:10 | Link #2947 | |
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2009-06-08, 13:12 | Link #2948 | |
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And no, the plight of the journalists is actually a pretty big story in the US and US citizens are concerned. We have two US citizens sentenced to 12 yrs for pointing their cameras across a national border river. That doesn't sit well with most people. And I don't think China and North Korea work "in concert". Its more like China has a small out-of-control dog on their leash. China likes the consternation that keeps everyone off-balance... but they're not quite in control of it themselves. If they push too hard, they'll end up with millions of refugees to deal with.
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2009-06-08, 13:37 | Link #2949 |
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From what I've seen, it's only been said by unconfirmed sources that the journalists were in NK. The BBC are still unsure whether they were in China or North Korea - do you have a link?
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2009-06-08, 13:49 | Link #2950 | |
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I have all the BBC, Hong Kong news, and other reports. The North Korean State news claims they were in North Korea but so far they're the only ones who say that. Sorry but they're not exactly a credible news source based on their history of reporting
I do notice the more recent news releases globally have changed their wording and are waffling about the circumstances, calling the information "unconfirmed". If it *does* turn out the women were indeed across the border, my stance and sympathy will change dramatically to "well wasn't that f'ing stupid of them". However, I tend to think the papers are waffling the story to give the State Department more wiggle room in securing the women's release ( as it gives North Korea a "save face" avenue). Nearly every report prior to a few days ago, used the phrase "near North Korea's border". (example: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30733308/) The UK Guardian notes that the North Korean version conflicts with other versions: Quote:
Given the North Korean guard history of romping across the border into South Korea and China as well as shooting at people pointing cameras near the border -- there's some weight to the assertion they romped across again this time.
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2009-06-08, 14:47 | Link #2951 | |
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I had seen a number of reports in which it said that they got detained near the Chinese-North Korean borders along with a Chinese tour guide but the tour guide was released due to Chinese diplomatic channels. At the same time, there were also reports that the journalists were detained after crossing the borders as opposed to be near the borders. Its not really clear but it doesn't really matter as that is no longer the issue.
North Korea, as well as a handful of other nations is in a whole different world in which things that occur there may not occur or even be heard of over in democratic nations. Let's hope that if Al Gore goes over there to greet Kim Jong-Il, it will be a safe trip. I doubt they would detain Al Gore as that he was the former vice-president of the United States. There would be no excuses for such problematic behavior of North Korea tries to pull it off. Quote:
As for the two journalists who are sentenced to 12 years of forced labor, I am actually quite angry as that they didn't do anything wrong at all, even though the North Korean supreme courts are claiming that they committed a "grave crime" but they refuse to explain what it is. Most importantly, I doubt their living conditions are okay now that they have to spend the next 12 years in North Korea unhappily. |
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2009-06-08, 20:11 | Link #2955 |
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Republicans regain control of New York Senate after 2 Democrats defect.
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It is nice to hear that the Republicans has once again gain control of the Senate. If the political party goes through some reforms and realignments, it will certainly do a good job.
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um... that's the New York State legislature - not the Senate of the United States -- just to make that clear to overseas folk.
Many state legislatures in the US are organized in a similar fashion to the federal government. I haven't looked to see why the two defected... could have been because they were facing tough primaries in their own party and jumped parties. edit: now this is just rich o.O. The two Dems have not left their party (though they may get kicked out after this stunt) but were virulently anti-gay marriage. They finagled process rules with the Republican minority to "mutiny" the Senate basically. Its not even clear this will hold up legally. Quote:
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2009-06-08, 22:54 | Link #2958 | |
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Ok I went on a bit of an anti-Bloomberg rant, but still, reform is the last thing on their minds. In fact it's a last ditch effort to stop reform.
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2009-06-08, 23:00 | Link #2959 |
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China remains opposed to revised draft resolution against N. Korea
Reasonable grounds.. It can mean anything. Good reasons can become no reasons depending on the perspective; same way around with bad reasons which can result as good reasons. After all, even if nations are given the authority to inspect vessels, they must acquire the consent of North Korea ahead of time. Thus, the end result will be disputes on the sea as usual. |
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Update on the Air France Flight 447 crash in the Atlantic:
They've recovered the tail section. The US is sending listening devices that can pinpoint a location ping as far down as 20,000ft. 24 bodies recovered now. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8089917.stm
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