Total Eclipse - Episode 9 Discussion / Poll

[Wild Goose]

There's a reason ATSF went with stealth TSFs, afterall.

[NoemiChan]

Seen the subbed...

In general.. I find the first half a bit boring but the second half rocks!!! Too bad they wasted a lot of fight scenes... They should made the entire episode as a fight episode...

HAh!!! Russians! Seems they loss a couple of their so called Eishis?

Now they learn the value of cooperation and trust in battle..

Yuuya kick ass... He took the spotlight...

Oh... he made Yui cry!!! You lucky man!!!

[Tempester]

The first part of this episode was fine. I personally find the briefings, info dumps and build-up to be a fascinating aspect of the Muv-Luv universe for the most part, and they make the action all the better when it does come around. Just throwing us into the action without explaining the situation and showing us the dispositions of the characters would be much worse. This was the first time I've felt like I was watching a real Muv-Luv spinoff since episode 2.

[thundrakkon]

Wow, I'm tearing up right now. I can imagine how Yui is feeling. Her weapon, that she worked so hard on, was successful, and not only that, it saved the lives of so many people, and possibly countless more in the future. To top it off, it kept her love, Yuuya, from being killed. It was definitely a happy moment in a world of tears, distruction, and death.

This was one of the best episodes so far, and it finally brought back what was missing since the first 2 episodes. The emotions, drama, and action... all the atmosphere... finally has returned this episode. I hope they can keep it up.

I was under the impression that the Scarlet Twins were experimented on and have split personalities. Maybe something similar to

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I understand Kriska changing, but I never imagined a blood-thirsty Inia. The other issue then is why does Kriska get weak to the point of fainting? It seems like it is some sort of stress that drains her energy, maybe the worry of the other "delicate" personality?

[NoemiChan]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

I understand Kriska changing, but I never imagined a blood-thirsty Inia. The other issue then is why does Kriska get weak to the point of fainting? It seems like it is some sort of stress that drains her energy, maybe the worry of the other "delicate" personality?

...Multiple personality? Oh noh!!!!

[grevierr]

I just wished they had played the MuvLuvAlt Gunbuster theme when the firing sequence started. That would have been awesome.

[Destined_Fate]

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

That still doesn't make sense because those mechanized infantry and TSF's out there are worth a lot more than the pilots they are sacrificing.

It's one thing to sacrifice a man but it's another for billion of dollars worth of equipment and hardware.




Except the officer himself admitted that the loss of the mechanized infantry and TSFs was just as bad as losing a single bomber. He even pointed out that fuel and ammo was scarce in their arsenal. If they are having that much of an issue with those guys then the hardware's just as bad.

Well they aren't using top of the line TSFs and they lied to the others on how many forces are here. Besides, this is Soviet Russia. Who's going to tell them that they can't pay off their debts when the world has gone to shit?

The ones calling the shots think differently, they care more about Mother Russia than a bunch of front line fodder. The things they cared about were the scarlet Sisters(Who were doing fine) and stopping the test weapon because it would revolutionize things and give Japan the upper hand in the UN.

[galdr]

The only problem I have with this episode is the QUALITY.
Seriously, Muv-Luv is quite popular franchise, why can't they get better animators?

[n0m@n]

I was happy to see one of the ignorant brat gotten alive. More of them should have been eaten as well. And that busty blonde is a bit@(!.

[Kyral]

Originally Posted by Keroko

It's not even about the physics, but the simpleness of a railgun being a projectile weapon, not a beam weapon.

Thanks for reminding me, I totaly had forgotten that the new weapon was supposed to be a railgun.
Hm... seeing how the TSF actually had to use it's thrusters during the whole fireing sequence ... maybe it's some kind of railmachinegun that not only fires one bullet.

But yeah, what the heck Soviets!? At least Latrova showed to be clever enough to see taht she was being sacrificed.

[DoomRavager]

Originally Posted by Keroko

It's not even about the physics, but the simpleness of a railgun being a projectile weapon, not a beam weapon.

Originally Posted by Kyral

Thanks for reminding me, I totaly had forgotten that the new weapon was supposed to be a railgun.
Hm... seeing how the TSF actually had to use it's thrusters during the whole fireing sequence ... maybe it's some kind of railmachinegun that not only fires one bullet.

It's a railmachinegun firing at 800rpm. If you look closely at the shot, it's made up of lots of glowing fast-moving small points, not a continuous beam. Firing an ordinary machine gun full of tracers on full auto would have a similar effect, and at those velocities the railgun rounds would be vaporizing somewhat, providing glowing exhaust and all. I think part of the reason why the development took so long was because they were trying to make a rapid-fire railgun practical in a power supply and barrel cooling sense.

[Destined_Fate]

At least we can say that if TE got in SRW than Yuuya would have a wicked MAP attack.

[tsunade666]

When I watched the invasion BETA resurface I got the feeling that they are just plain to few. Now that I tried to watch the first episode and 2nd episode. That one is more like alternative feeling on it.

From the game thread. People I talk with know that I start playing muv luv game trilogy last week. And now playing through alternative.... I got the feeling of total eclipse way to tame for my taste >_> no shit happens?

I'm not familiar much with total eclipse but here's a question and I think I ask it before but I forgot the answer thanks to playing alternative. But total eclipse happens before alternative right? Then is the manga and light novel connected? then what is the vn version of it? the same and connected? it's just that I heared and read lots of total eclipse that for now it doesn't much make sense on it or rather the whole franchise. The trilogy that I played and specially alternative focus more on japanese side and their hate for america and etc etc and not much info for other country thus eclipse is really total new to me after playing the game.

When I watch the first few episode without past knowledge of the series I found it good but now..... what the heck are they doing in this episode? and only destroyer, tank and grappler class? it just doesn't feel right for me to not see the annoying laser class and the fort class spawning annoying little guys.

Can someone explain to me how the plan come into like this because I don't get it. because isn't BETA unpredictable? how did they knew they will be surfacing there or did I miss something? its a planned operation right but does this mean they are already monitoring that horde of BETA and already knew what will attack?

And the soviet plans to not make the railgun fire? is that the plan of the soviet leaders or america?

The battle left me in disappointment thanks to that darn game. I should have played it after watching this series. It just doesn't look the same and fun anymore

[playmaker2k]

that's a lot of questions, but the answer is yes.

[Kirayuki]

I felt sad during the part where Jacob was eaten by those BETAs, such beautiful TSF had to be ripped apart by BETA just because the pilot was a NOM material

[DoomRavager]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

When I watch the first few episode without past knowledge of the series I found it good but now..... what the heck are they doing in this episode? and only destroyer, tank and grappler class? it just doesn't feel right for me to not see the annoying laser class and the fort class spawning annoying little guys.

Can someone explain to me how the plan come into like this because I don't get it. because isn't BETA unpredictable? how did they knew they will be surfacing there or did I miss something? its a planned operation right but does this mean they are already monitoring that horde of BETA and already knew what will attack?

Lasers don't necessarily always have to accompany BETA attacks.

Anyway, regarding that second paragraph, I think they mentioned last episode that they picked up the BETA herd by satellite fairly early before they submerged or something, so they had sufficient warning to set up a perimeter on the beach and wait for the vibration sensors to pick them back up, as well as an idea of what this particular herd was composed of.

[Arya]

Originally Posted by galdr

The only problem I have with this episode is the QUALITY.

Really. That was something that really stood out

Except that, I really enjoyed the episode, nice balance of action, technical stuffs and Yui/Yuuya interactions. Nothing felt out of place. A bit lovey-dovey in the end with each other for that context, but it was really nice. Even if I didn't get what they intended to do with Yui's face while hearing Yuuya thanking her. She at first seemed to be depressed/offended instead of being proud of her work (despite whatever Yuuya could have said her just one second later).

Good work with the tension during the action (little action), nice to see Yuuya stressed by the situation.

Speaking of Cryska, to me it seems to be brainwashing or mind control. They keep reprogramming her because apparently emotions get in the way and so the brainwash gets softened putting her in that confused state of mind. Inia doesn't get affected that much thanks to her younger age (is she younger?), or because the treatments started at a younger age, that didn't let her grown up mentally. Something like that.

[grevierr]

QUALITY was homage to the TSFiA stills if i'm not wrong. That's what you get in the Mags basically.

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by Kyral

Thanks for reminding me, I totaly had forgotten that the new weapon was supposed to be a railgun.
Hm... seeing how the TSF actually had to use it's thrusters during the whole fireing sequence ... maybe it's some kind of railmachinegun that not only fires one bullet.

That's not possible considering how Yuuya used it. The beam literally -swiped- the wave of BETA in a single blow, and the surface covered is quite large (something like a 120° cone shaped area).
And even if we assume it was a repeated stream of projectiles, the ammunition and energy for that would be unimaginable, and there is no way a rifle would stand that, no matter how the setting is portraying the rifle as heat resilient.

[DoomRavager]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

That's not possible considering how Yuuya used it. The beam literally -swiped- the wave of BETA in a single blow, and the surface covered is quite large (something like a 120° cone shaped area).
And even if we assume it was a repeated stream of projectiles, the ammunition and energy for that would be unimaginable, and there is no way a rifle would stand that, no matter how the setting is portraying the rifle as heat resilient.

We don't have to assume it was a repeated stream of projectiles because even leaving aside the forbidden description of its function in the LN and manga (in a very early scene from the very beginning of the story that the anime decided to skip) it is shown as explicitly being one by the animation itself (though you have to pay close attention to notice that the 'beam' is composed of lots of individual shots). Then with the kind of velocity railgun shots achieve, each shot will be penetrating through a ton of BETA before coming to a stop, allowing for the kind of 'sweeping through the wave' effect.

But the answer to how they might have conceivably provided the energy supply and the barrel cooling system for a railgun that could fire at that speed for that long is beyond the scope of what the anime bothers to really explain (thanks to skipping that one scene from the very start of the story).

Besides, ammunition supply for a gun that fires 800rpm isn't that unimaginable, even if energy and required cooling system is.