2012-05-26, 21:46 | Link #121 | |
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Its a nice guess about the diamond Shiliew part that can fit however it only fits cause it was made to fit. I know Jimbe said the BB crew was going around stealing powerful DF abilities but that doesnt mean the crew is taking the abilities. As it stands now Only BB can aquire more Df abilities and thats not because of his yumi yumi fruit but because of his body. According to Marco in the war of the best he said it was possible for BB to house more than one DF because of his unique body structure so he should be the only one to take the fruits ability. And we dont know if anyone without BB's devil fruit ability can even gain someelses DF powers since BB waited specfically for that one fruit to even start to implement his master plan. Anyway with those things known for sure right now and we not being able to see BB DF ability right now either that seems to me to be too much of a leap. |
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2012-05-27, 00:09 | Link #123 | |
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I was thinking that, too, but I don't know why Zoro would fight Jozu, since he's a (former?) WB pirate, and Luffy's ally by extension. Maybe he'll get to test his sword against diamond in some misunderstanding |
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2012-05-27, 00:44 | Link #124 | |
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shiliew getting jozu's ability? hmmm... that's a fun theory and not that all farfetched. but him defeating mihawke by himself even with that ability? i doubt it. most likely, he would have some help from someone. so if he takes down mihawke with the help of his comrades for example, would that still make him the greatest swordsman in the world? since we're talking about titles here, i'm curious to know as to how it really works. how did mihawke get the title anyway? zoro claims that if he defeats the guy he would gain that title. so does it work much like the same way as boxing titles? when you defeat the champion, you get the belt and the title? assuming that these matches are one-on-one, but what if they're not? let's say mihawke was taken down by the blackbeard pirates, what would happen to his title as the greatest swordsman? would it pass on to those who defeated him? but which one? i'm getting confused by own question?
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2012-05-27, 00:57 | Link #125 | |
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For Shiryuu to be considered a 'final'-type boss, he would need to be at least as strong as Mihawk. Just because the BB pirates decided to take down WB together, quickly and efficiently, doesn't mean that's the only way they know how to fight.
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2012-05-27, 06:35 | Link #126 |
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It could go either way. I'm fine with anything as long as the setup is done well and Zoro eventually gets to cut a strong diamond based opponent. Shiliew just seems a more preferable character for me, assuming the BB pirates are some of the 'end game' enemies and appear set up as rivals toward the Strawhats. Though as you say (I think?) he doesn't need it, and even that would be an interesting direction if he's a tougher opponent to cut down without that DF ability, despite Zoro possibly cutting diamond beforehand.
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2012-05-27, 06:51 | Link #127 | |
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as for whitebeard being taken down by the blackbeard pirates, it wasn't a choice, it was the only choice because not one of them could take down edward newgate all by himself. have you forgotten the number of life threatening injuries he took and yet he still kept on overpowering his enemies? and to think the guy was old and ill. imagine how powerful he was when he was younger.
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2012-05-27, 07:06 | Link #128 |
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[QUOTE=randomlex;4177997]Of course, the yummy-yummy fruit - that's how Blackbeard can eat more than one Devil Fruit, he must find them delicious , unlike everyone else (no offense intended, btw, just found it really funny ).
lol, yummy yummy (dont know how many times this joke been used here but its my first time seeing it ) |
2012-05-27, 07:12 | Link #129 | |
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2012-05-27, 11:22 | Link #130 | |
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Aye. of course, that doesn't mean that there couldn't exist emperor-class pirates outside of the "officially" known emperors (in fact we've already seen a few, like Rayleigh, Shiki, and some of Whitebeard's strongest commanders). And who knows, maybe Big Mama and Kaidou have monsters in their crews who are close to them in strength..... Anyways, about Zoro cutting diamond: I remember discussing this many times in the past with guys like James. While I also highly doubt that he'll ever fight Jozu, I think a good way for our swordsman friend to test the results of his post-skip strength would be for him to slice through seastone, which is known to be as hard as diamond, in case anyone forgot. It's also possible that the alloy for future models of the pacifistas (which I believe is made of Wapometal, but that hasn't actually been confirmed aside from Franky's body) may be as strong as diamond as well..... |
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2012-05-27, 13:12 | Link #131 | |
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I don't see the problem with Shiliew defeating Mihawk legitimately. By that point in the series, Oda has to establish the BB pirates as credible threats that are the real deal. Call it underhanded tactics or whatever you like, but when it comes to battles to the death there is no such thing as playing fair; it's anything goes, no-holds barred. Shiliew may resort to doing something that's considered dishonorable in a sword duel, but in the end if Mihawk loses that's that. He gets stripped of his title and Shiliew claims it with no questions asked. That's how it works.
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2012-05-27, 13:41 | Link #132 |
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Well even in boxing and other fighting sports, you can say that someone is the champion and best fighter in the world, but that is only limited to the fighters that the world actually knows. There's probably more than a few people that are much stronger fighters than the strongest fighters but since the world doesn't know about them, they are never counted.
Mihawk might be in the same situation. There might be Wano samurai as strong as Mihawk if not stronger, but they close themselves off to the world so those strong ones don't get the recognition they deserve. That being said, Oda tells us he is the strongest so we can just take his word for it. |
2012-05-27, 13:49 | Link #133 |
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Speaking of Yonkou-level, since Shanks is a Yonkou, then Rayleigh should be at the same level or stronger seeing as he was second in command to Roger. He just chose not to assert himself in the new world. As MarvelB said above, it makes sense that there would be other powerful characters as strong as the Yonkou and the Admirals...
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2012-05-27, 16:02 | Link #134 | |
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2012-05-27, 17:20 | Link #135 | |
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2012-05-27, 18:11 | Link #137 | ||
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He may be destructive but he is not as well rounded and certainly does not possess a decent enough defense for a top tier fighter.
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2012-05-27, 22:43 | Link #140 |
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^However, it should also be noted that Oda himself stated in an SBS that if Eneru were to descend to the blue seas, he would NOT be able to conquer it because there would be several more people who are stronger than him. And considering that Luffy managed to kick ass before he even revealed his Gears (let alone awaken his haki), I think it's definitely sufficient to believe that the thunder god would be outmatched by the likes of people like the admirals and emperors.
....Of course, Oda's statement of that time was well before the timeskip took place, so who knows how much stronger Eneru has become during those 2 years on the moon with his little space army..... |
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