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View Poll Results: Lucky Star - Episode 23 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 41 | 36.28% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 47 | 41.59% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 11.50% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 9 | 7.96% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 0.88% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.88% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.88% | |
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2007-09-12, 08:42 | Link #81 | |
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2007-09-12, 09:27 | Link #83 | |||
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I'm pretty sure Patty's been watching classic anime (Love Hina, Azumanga Daioh, Haruhi, etc.) dub-style with some subs until Konata taught her everything else. She's one of those non-Asian anime fans who know the basics of anime (sailor fuku, yuri, sushi, and ramen) but no better (not Shinto nor 2channel, etc.). |
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2007-09-12, 09:59 | Link #84 |
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2007-09-12, 10:22 | Link #85 | |
RUN, YOU FOOLS!
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They are americans who loves japan a bit too much. Patty can be seen as a satire of japanophile foreigners. |
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2007-09-12, 10:27 | Link #86 | |
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Maybe the Light Novel will be animated after this 2 final eps? Maybe...yet again XD
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2007-09-12, 11:40 | Link #88 | |
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I get the feeling I've seen a Patty type character in another anime before. Also I think we also have to be fair as well as how Japanese anime has portrayed American Culture and Mannerisms in the the past as well though. It's a two way relationship. I can't get over how in so many animes I've seen, American characters are portrayed as buff, loud, materialistic, rude and culturally insensitive types. |
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2007-09-12, 13:12 | Link #90 | ||
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Remember kids, when you want a rice cooker or hot water dispenser/bottle, always get Zojirushi. Tiger and other brands maybe cheaper or claim to have more features, but no brand beat the Zojirushi in term of quality. Last edited by AVPlaya; 2007-09-12 at 13:26. |
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2007-09-12, 13:30 | Link #91 |
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wait a minute...
So Sodom/Katana from Final Fight/ SF Alpha Series(that was beaten the hell out of Guy) can be compared to her attitude in a sense... XD Either way she's one with the OUTLAWS!!! New team outlaw Konata, Patty and Hiyorin.
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2007-09-12, 13:32 | Link #92 | |
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But it's a very loving satire. Impossible to take offense. Patty is somewhat excessive, but quite sweet and quite capable.
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2007-09-12, 13:40 | Link #93 | |
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I can totally see her do an Easy Rider thing across the West... oh that would be so hot... |
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2007-09-12, 14:32 | Link #94 | |
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I'll second AVPlaya's recommendation on Zojirushi for modern gear ... though I'm still a fan of the basic non-computerized one-switch (uses a pressure sensor) rice cooker. We've had ours for about 29 years (it was a marriage present from wife's grandfather).
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2007-09-12, 14:36 | Link #95 | |
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But what do you mean by "cooler"? That just because we're not japanese we're allowed to express outselves in an otaku way more openly than the japanese do? In my opinion, that would be a huge misconception... I mean, Anime is mainstream in Japan. Not only anime, but light novels and manga... You can find them everywhere, including ads, and they take many, many forms and shapes and speak to a very diverse audience. From small children to the older folks, the part of the Japanese culture that hovers around anime has something for them all. Which is not the case in most places here in the west. What does your average high-schooler think when you mention anime? Pokemon, DBZ and, with a bit of luck, Yu-Gi-Oh. Because of that, there's a very high degree of stereotypical response to the ones of us that "go public". Of course, you could probably say that we're more aware of diversity and that our responses aren't histerical... but I'd say we win in the amount of negative responses we receive for being how we are. One of the things that Patty's presence in Lucky*Star makes me grateful to the authors is that it probably gives the idea that we're all brothers in otakudom, Japanese and foreigners alike. Edit: I feel a bit inexperienced whenever I'm around Vexx, AVPlaya and some of the other grown-ups around. Kind of makes me wanna erase my comments and see what they say first every time
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2007-09-12, 15:18 | Link #96 | |||
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In another hands, there are right-wing leaning "purists" who doesn't believe gaijins will ever GET their anime culture and they fear that outside demand will corrupt the status quo. I think even many anime creators fear the same; that anime will be made to cater to the "Western clientèle" and forsake the J-otas. As you know, the value systems in the West sometimes conflict with the very Japanese otaku culture in term of sex and violence. With works like Afro Samurai I think they have reason to fear. They don't want the "prudish and violent" gaijins to "Hollywood-ize" anime and change its Japanese core. They also believe the ousiders will ever get the real otaku spirit. You can see a lot of this type of reaction in this year's Saimoe tournament. I think overall, from almost a 3rd party perspective, that the gaijin anime fans has shown a great deal of respect toward Japanese and otaku culture. I don't think any true anime fan who wanted to change the original culture, but rather I see a lot more trying to understand and even participate in it. I believe a lot of the Japanese otakus saw these efforts and appreciate them, so you'll have English-speaking otas like kj1980-dono here in anisuki trying to help folks out. The aformentioned "fear" is a natural extention of the more Hikkomori-like otakus distrust of outside world. Some of these guys can't even talk to people in their own household, what do you think their opinion of gajins half a world away would be? If you read 2ch enough you'll know that the otakus have far more worse things to say about other Asians than the gaijin-otas who tried to support their art-form. I think overall impression is that, gaijin-otas are cool as long as they don't start demanding change or be act in a rude manner (gaijin stereotype here). Quote:
2 things here... 1. Anime is NOT mainstream in Japan. Some anime are accepted in the mainstream, like Miyazaki films and some TV anime like Sazae-san or Chibi Maruko-chan, but if you say you're an adult who watched anime late at night, people will laugh at you. For most poeople, anime is children's entertainment. Manga, on the other-hand, is mainstream. Everyone reads manga, and that's not a taboo. Strange to you, but perfectly reasonable to the Japanese. Light Novels are okay for young people to read, but again, if you're an adult you should be reading "The White Tower" and not "Shakugan no Shana". 2. What I meant by "cool" is a general stereotype from the average Japanese about a random Westerner. Japanese in general have a fairly good opinion of white folks visiting their country (other skin colors are another story). Some people, especially young girls, think most if not all white people have "better" tastes in term of music, art, etc due to the very limited view of Western culture they get in Japan. Of course this is all a huge stereotype and most people who actually knew gaijins knows that's just not true. But for a country girl from Takeshima, it's close enough. Same goes with foreign countries in general, especially European countries. Most Japanese girls think Paris is this magical land of love; in so much that some who actually visited Paris needed hospitalization or mental counseling because the real Paris is so far below their expectations (true story). So this "gaijin coolness" is nothing but a positive stereotype of the masses of Japanese who has never seen or knew a real gaijin, but as Japan becomes more open, that too will change. Quote:
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2007-09-12, 15:52 | Link #97 | |
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I understand the fear of Japanese otakus (Holliwoodized anime would suck so bad), but I think no gaijin otaku likes that idea, so it shouldn't be a real problem to begin with. My really humble opinion is that otaku culture should be like a bridge connecting worlds.... it should be seen not as a fear, but as a chance. From a gaijin point of view, first you like manga or anime, then you are fascinated by them, and you want to learn more about the culture that lies behind.... learning other people's culture, traditions, common life-style etc leads to mutual understanding and respect (usually). From a japanese otaku point of view, well I can only speculate, but I imagine that being in contact with western fellow otakus could be a chance to start forgetting old sterotypes and misunderstandings...
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2007-09-12, 16:07 | Link #98 |
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Hm nothing much about this episode that attracts me unlike episode 22 >> 7/10
Less Tsukasa scenes in this episode...and additional Minami scenes as a replacement for it...not like i'm unhappy for it,but maybe becoz i'm too used to Tsukasa's appearance as the main character from episode 1 until 22,in this episode was more like she became a side character,while those other side characters (those from year 1 class) replace her position as the main characters for this episode. Other than that,everything seems ok for me..Minami was given the most priority for this episode,followed by Misao,Ayano,Patricia and Tamura. After hiding it for about 9 episodes,finally Minami's big secret was revealed in front of the other girls..it was funny though to see her reaction at the moment Konata pointed her secret out to the others. As for the Lucky Channel,i'd say the worst of all...well i didn't really expect anything much from it since episode 21...just that i wonder who gonna fill in the "guest star" position for the final episode of Lucky Channel..Ono Daisuke had made his appearance as a guest star for 3 episodes i think,while Yuko Goto made it for this episode.I think,probably the last one would be..someone from Haruhi too i guess,considering the fact that both Ono Daisuke and Yuko Goto are the seiyuu for both Koizumi and Asahina...and also Shiraishi himself as Taniguchi.Probably Minori Chihara? XP |
2007-09-12, 16:08 | Link #99 |
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Just because gaijin otakus loath the idea of Hollywood anime doesn't mean some decider somewhere won't go "hey, there's a market in the West! Westerners like Hollywood movies, so let's change our anime to fit those tastes! It can't go wrong!".
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2007-09-12, 16:17 | Link #100 |
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The fact that manga is so widespread in Japan compared to most anime being limited to ota's is intriguing. It's the complete opposite of how it is in the States, where anime is a lot more widespread in fandom than manga from my experience at least. Now I don't have any empirical evidence to back that up, just from the friends I have that watch anime and what I've picked up on from the net. I'm sure it has to do a lot with the way comic books are significantly more stigmatized in the States compared to animation. "Nerds" read comic books, but everyone watched Disney when they were growing up. And especially now, where companies like Pixar have pushed a form of animation to a more adult level (see Shrek), I can see American culture being more accepting of anime over manga.
As to the split amongs Japanese otas as to whether to shun or accept gaijin-otas, it's pretty typical in a group of that size. You are going to have your extremist types on both sides if you get a sample size large enough. The fact that they are somewhat shunned by the mainstream culture and would theoretically sympathize with an even slimmer minority of gaijin-otas doesn't seem to have a huge impact on the population. However, I hope anime/manga like Lucky Star and characters such as Patty can convey a more positive image of gaijin-otas to the Japanese otas. All in all this kind sociological/political analysis is the reason I chose my college majors, and it's quite interesting. Add that to the fact that the Japanese PM resigned yesterday and I have plenty of interesting research to come~ |
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