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EroKing · 2013-06-14, 02:47

Key Board · 2013-06-14, 02:55

if I'm going to nit pick about that picture..

Valvraves fire green energy bolts..

Aoken · 2013-06-14, 05:20

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iCK · 2013-06-14, 09:02

Does anyone have the full gifs of saki's tragic scene in ep 10?

From haruto to knocking her down to the end?

Aoken · 2013-06-14, 11:14

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Man oh man, I'm speechless...

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shadow1296 · 2013-06-14, 12:11

okay she is way to happy for what she's doing

queenSwild · 2013-06-14, 12:14

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Endless Soul · 2013-06-14, 12:16

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okay she is way to happy for what she's doing

Probably because she's feeling Haruto's....arrival.

Also, I haven't seen Gundam Seed either, but now I don't need to since I learned all about it in this thread.

Endless "Scratch that one off this list" Soul

shadow1296 · 2013-06-14, 16:06

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the wind up and the kick

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KleenexGhost · 2013-06-14, 16:19

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Well wearing that outfit Takahi was asking for it

shadow1296 · 2013-06-14, 16:44

you can't help but feel sorry for her after that scene because of this face

DevilHighDxD · 2013-06-14, 16:51

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you can't help but feel sorry for her after that scene because of this face

The cheerful and smiling Saki we know is gone forever now. Hopefully Haruto don't choose be a dick on Saki and instead, choose to be the man that he need to be.

KleenexGhost · 2013-06-14, 16:59

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The cheerful and smiling Saki we know is gone forever now. Hopefully Haruto don't choose be a dick on Saki and instead, choose to be the man that he need to be.

Was the rape scene necessary? A theory people are throwing around on the TvTropes forums is that Haruto raped her because he was restraining himself from biting others for a period of time so his condition got worse and lost even more control over himself.

Key Board · 2013-06-14, 17:01

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Was the scene necessary? Legit question, was this scene necessary?

necessary to created their intended vision of drama? yes

does it mean that it's not terrible? no

~~DuelGundam2099~~ · 2013-06-14, 17:01

I guess we will have to find out next episode.

KleenexGhost · 2013-06-14, 17:04

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necessary to created their intended vision of drama? yes

does it mean that it's not terrible? no

That's how I feel about it as well. It helps tell the story they're trying to tell, but at the same time it felt like they wanted to be shocking. An alternative might have been Haruto just violently attacking her and she could be traumatized by that.

DevilHighDxD · 2013-06-14, 17:13

I will say that it will be better if just near-rape experience then actual rape. Something like rape just don't seem to fit this type of anime.

KleenexGhost · 2013-06-14, 17:16

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I will say that it will be better if just near-rape experience then actual rape. Something like rape just don't seem to fit this type of anime.

Originally thought that they were gonna go that route. Thought he was just gonna rip her clothes off and pass out before anything happened.

Nayrael · 2013-06-14, 17:32

It is necessary:
- the "Do you abandon your humanity?" finally had serious consequences and it wasn't avoided for the sake of being nice
- it mentally cracks both Saki and Haruto to the required amount
- Aina's "Holy Spirit" proved to be hopeful wish with reality violently crushing it with "You are cursed to be a monster" (which is why it was mentioned against just after the OP ended). I wonder if Haruto and Saki will still use that term or if they will revert to "Forsaken Vampire"
- "having happened" has more consequences than "almost happened" and is harder to heal
- Haruto is not in danger of becoming a monster anymore: he has become one
- strict reminder that, in it's essence, Valvrave is first-most a tragedy... and hint that things will go only downwards from here

There are enough reasons for it to justify it's existence and be necessary for future story goals. Other than that, it is like asking "Was Aina's death necessary?", "Was Saki becoming a pilot necessary?", "Was Shouko's fake death necessary?", etc. No plot device is technically necessary but with Okouchi as the writer, he'll take care the cruelest plot devices are chosen. He is not one to shy away from using unpopular plot devices or comforting to the fans.

KleenexGhost · 2013-06-14, 17:43

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It is necessary:
- the "Do you abandon your humanity?" finally had serious consequences and it wasn't avoided for the sake of being nice
- it mentally cracks both Saki and Haruto to the required amount
- Aina's "Holy Spirit" proved to be hopeful wish with reality violently crushing it with "You are cursed to be a monster" (which is why it was mentioned against just after the OP ended). I wonder if Haruto and Saki will still use that term or if they will revert to "Forsaken Vampire"
- "having happened" has more consequences than "almost happened" and is harder to heal
- Haruto is not in danger of becoming a monster anymore: he has become one
- strict reminder that, in it's essence, Valvrave is first-most a tragedy... and hint that things will go only downwards from here

There are enough reasons for it to justify it's existence and be necessary for future story goals. Other than that, it is like asking "Was Aina's death necessary?", "Was Saki becoming a pilot necessary?", "Was Shouko's fake death necessary?", etc. No plot device is technically necessary but with Okouchi as the writer, he'll take care the cruelest plot devices are chosen. He is not one to shy away from using unpopular plot devices or comforting to the fans.

This is just another instance of reality hitting the show. Saki finally seeing that this is a curse. Like you said with Aina, there are many casualties of war. She just happened to be one. I can appreciate these things, along with the examples you stated above in terms of storytelling.

What were your thoughts on the election scene?

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