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DarkLordOfkichiku · 2008-06-25, 16:58

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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Do we even know it was the Emperor who did that? Sure, it matches, but we have no proof he actually did it. And after all, you don't need Geass to brainwash.

So we'd have another Geass-user who did it instead?

Well, that might be possible, I suppose. and indeed geass, isn't the only thing you need...

Pan chan · 2008-06-25, 16:59

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Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

To be honest we don't even know if their memories were really altered or if they were just instructed to play along. Lelouch thought they were but we have no proof, and as we've seen when it comes to Britannia and the Emperor Lelouch always jumps to the worst conclusion.

No, remember Nina's memory in episode 9 ? Rolo was there, not Nunnaly

Aquaman OS · 2008-06-25, 17:11

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Originally Posted by Pan chan

No, remember Nina's memory in episode 9 ? Rolo was there, not Nunnaly

(watches again).............damn.

DarkLordOfkichiku · 2008-06-25, 17:13

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Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

(watches again).............damn.

So it was either Charles.. Or some other Geass-user sent by V.V....

Tokkan · 2008-06-25, 18:37

I'm pretty sure Code-R was started by Clovis actually, Schneizel just took over later.

Silver Soul · 2008-06-25, 19:02

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Originally Posted by Pan chan

No, remember Nina's memory in episode 9 ? Rolo was there, not Nunnaly

Poor Nunnlly

Damn you Rolo

Dean_the_Young · 2008-06-25, 19:28

Having read about how bad Kallen was treated by Suzaku, I'm surprised that no one brought up our best case of comparison: Suzaku's own incarceration. Compared to his stint, what has Kallen had?

Dean_the_Young · 2008-06-25, 19:32

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Originally Posted by Silver Soul

Poor Nunnlly

Damn you Rolo

What has Rolo to do with it? Rolo had nothing to do with Lelouch's capture, memory changes, or being assigned to act as Lulu's brother.

You can blame Charles (for wiping), Suzaku (for getting even), or even Kallen (for not being a good bodyguard), but Rolo is blameless.

DarkLordOfkichiku · 2008-06-25, 19:33

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Originally Posted by Dean_the_Young

Having read about how bad Kallen was treated by Suzaku, I'm surprised that no one brought up our best case of comparison: Suzaku's own incarceration. Compared to his stint, what has Kallen had?

Personally I don't think she has been treated THAT badly, even if I think leaving her gagged with food in front of her was rather unecressarilly. But you're right that at least no one's beating her up or the like as Suzaku was when he was accused of being the murderer of Clovis...

Dean_the_Young · 2008-06-25, 19:36

Ah, damn it. You made me remember some of the more... tasteless... fanfiction and doujin about Suzaku in jail.

Silver Soul · 2008-06-25, 19:38

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Originally Posted by Dean_the_Young

What has Rolo to do with it? Rolo had nothing to do with Lelouch's capture, memory changes, or being assigned to act as Lulu's brother.

You can blame Charles (for wiping), Suzaku (for getting even), or even Kallen (for not being a good bodyguard), but Rolo is blameless.

I blame him for taking Nunnlly's place, I'm hoping everyone remeber who she is eventually

Dean_the_Young · 2008-06-25, 19:42

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Originally Posted by Silver Soul

I blame him for taking Nunnlly's place, I'm hoping everyone remeber who she is eventually

So? He had nothing to do with it. It isn't his fault, anymore than it was Euphie's fault for the massacre. How can you blame him for the actions of another Geass user? He wouldn't have taken her place if Kallen had done her job and killed Suzaku.

bladeofdarkness · 2008-06-25, 19:44

the way suzaku treated kallen was crual FOR A REASON
the way he was looking at her showed no remorse or pity
the way she was tied was just pointlesly crual
the show's director wanted it to be seen as crual
that was the whole point

when you want to cement a truly hostile relationship between enemys you have one of them hurt the other guys loved ones
thats how it works in fiction
gail simons the comic book writer calls it "a woman in the fridge syndrom"(based on a green lantern comic where a villan kills his girlfriend and leaves her in the fridge for him to find)
the meanning of it is hurting or mistreating a female character close to the male lead in order to make it personal
and its even more so in a freaking SUNRISE STUDIO MECHA ANIME

suzaku pulled a dirty trick on lulu in ep 5 with nanali
but by ep 7 lulu excepted that suzaku really is the one person who he wants at nanali's side
in ep 8 he used suzaku in his plans to by trusting him not to order the troops to fire
in ep 9 he even included him in a kind of joke bet with shnizel (he had other reasons for doing so but he did make a joke about giving him to kaguya)

something had to be done to remind us of the fact that these two really are "worst enemys"
having suzaku treat a fan favorite character rather harshly (thats how it was portreyd) was their way

DarkLordOfkichiku · 2008-06-25, 19:47

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Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

something had to be done to remind us of the fact that these two really are "worst enemys"
having suzaku treat a fan favorite character rather harshly (thats how it was portreyd) was their way

It was probably also, in a sense, a way or showing us that he's still the antagonist of the series as such...

Dean_the_Young · 2008-06-25, 19:53

Here's an update: being tied up is not cruel or unusual, especially when it's done to all Britannian prisoners from C.C. to Suzaku to Orange-kun. Being unable to eat a single meal, while negligent, is not malicious or degrading. Looking at someone with no emotion? Not even smug superiority or gloating glee or any happiness? That doesn't even register.

Suzaku is not hurting Kallen. By all accounts, she is being treated infinitely better than either himself or Orange-kun were: she doesn't have any signs of being beaten in a jail cell, for one. Lelouch's cries of how Suzaku is taking all his loved ones away is another one of his oh-so telling moments of personal double standards, such as when he's so surprised that Oegi kept a secret from him.

Let's get something straight. Suzaku didn't capture Kallen. Suzaku hasn't abused Kallen. He hasn't used her as a hostage, threatened to kill her, emotionally blackmailed her, or forced her into a mockery of her very existence, all things that Lelouch has done or intended to do to various people in his power.

It really is a non-issue, especially as far as Code Geass behavior goes. The only half-way bad thing was making it so she couldn't eat a meal, which is pretty unlikely to go on for any period of time. Everything else? Suck it up, really, and remember what most other characters have had to go through.

hanseo · 2008-06-25, 19:57

@dark suzaku didn't treated her cruely she is the enemy

Silver Soul · 2008-06-25, 19:57

Just imagine if Kallen died, than we'll see the sparks fly

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Originally Posted by Dean_the_Young

So? He had nothing to do with it. It isn't his fault, anymore than it was Euphie's fault for the massacre. How can you blame him for the actions of another Geass user? He wouldn't have taken her place if Kallen had done her job and killed Suzaku.

Good God man do you have to put it so bluently, I see no redeeming factors for his character now that Lelouch has him eating from the palm of his hand and I'll take Nunnally than him anyway

bladeofdarkness · 2008-06-25, 19:59

wait till next ep
all im saying
wait till next ep

suzaku got his ass kicked while being interogated
and the guys asking him questions knew he didnt know shit
kallen actually does know something of value

just wait

Silver Soul · 2008-06-25, 20:01

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Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

wait till next ep
all im saying
wait till next ep

suzaku got his ass kicked while being interogated
and the guys asking him questions knew he didnt know shit
kallen actually does know something of value

just wait

Oh man now I see it, but since she's half Britainnian they won't be as rough on her than they were with Suzaku......I hope

Tokkan · 2008-06-25, 20:03

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Originally Posted by Silver Soul

Just imagine if Kallen died, than we'll see the sparks fly

I wonder how you would feel if the character you favoured were killed.

2008-06-25, 19:44	Link #1513
bladeofdarkness Um-Shmum Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: at GNR, bringing you the truth, no matter how bad it hurts Age: 39	the way suzaku treated kallen was crual FOR A REASON the way he was looking at her showed no remorse or pity the way she was tied was just pointlesly crual the show's director wanted it to be seen as crual that was the whole point when you want to cement a truly hostile relationship between enemys you have one of them hurt the other guys loved ones thats how it works in fiction gail simons the comic book writer calls it "a woman in the fridge syndrom"(based on a green lantern comic where a villan kills his girlfriend and leaves her in the fridge for him to find) the meanning of it is hurting or mistreating a female character close to the male lead in order to make it personal and its even more so in a freaking SUNRISE STUDIO MECHA ANIME suzaku pulled a dirty trick on lulu in ep 5 with nanali but by ep 7 lulu excepted that suzaku really is the one person who he wants at nanali's side in ep 8 he used suzaku in his plans to by trusting him not to order the troops to fire in ep 9 he even included him in a kind of joke bet with shnizel (he had other reasons for doing so but he did make a joke about giving him to kaguya) something had to be done to remind us of the fact that these two really are "worst enemys" having suzaku treat a fan favorite character rather harshly (thats how it was portreyd) was their way __________________

2008-06-25, 19:57	Link #1516
hanseo CC's Shining Knight Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: SC, USA Age: 35	@dark suzaku didn't treated her cruely she is the enemy __________________

2008-06-25, 19:59	Link #1518
bladeofdarkness Um-Shmum Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: at GNR, bringing you the truth, no matter how bad it hurts Age: 39	wait till next ep all im saying wait till next ep suzaku got his ass kicked while being interogated and the guys asking him questions knew he didnt know shit kallen actually does know something of value just wait __________________

2008-06-25, 18:37	Link #1505
Tokkan Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Australia Age: 35	I'm pretty sure Code-R was started by Clovis actually, Schneizel just took over later.

2008-06-25, 19:28	Link #1507
Dean_the_Young Has a life IRL Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Somewhere in the Anglo-Saxon Sphere	Having read about how bad Kallen was treated by Suzaku, I'm surprised that no one brought up our best case of comparison: Suzaku's own incarceration. Compared to his stint, what has Kallen had?

2008-06-25, 19:36	Link #1510
Dean_the_Young Has a life IRL Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Somewhere in the Anglo-Saxon Sphere	Ah, damn it. You made me remember some of the more... tasteless... fanfiction and doujin about Suzaku in jail.

2008-06-25, 19:53	Link #1515
Dean_the_Young Has a life IRL Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Somewhere in the Anglo-Saxon Sphere	Here's an update: being tied up is not cruel or unusual, especially when it's done to all Britannian prisoners from C.C. to Suzaku to Orange-kun. Being unable to eat a single meal, while negligent, is not malicious or degrading. Looking at someone with no emotion? Not even smug superiority or gloating glee or any happiness? That doesn't even register. Suzaku is not hurting Kallen. By all accounts, she is being treated infinitely better than either himself or Orange-kun were: she doesn't have any signs of being beaten in a jail cell, for one. Lelouch's cries of how Suzaku is taking all his loved ones away is another one of his oh-so telling moments of personal double standards, such as when he's so surprised that Oegi kept a secret from him. Let's get something straight. Suzaku didn't capture Kallen. Suzaku hasn't abused Kallen. He hasn't used her as a hostage, threatened to kill her, emotionally blackmailed her, or forced her into a mockery of her very existence, all things that Lelouch has done or intended to do to various people in his power. It really is a non-issue, especially as far as Code Geass behavior goes. The only half-way bad thing was making it so she couldn't eat a meal, which is pretty unlikely to go on for any period of time. Everything else? Suck it up, really, and remember what most other characters have had to go through.