Code Geass R2 - Overall Series Impressions & Total Series Rating

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

The problem is that giving Suzaku control of Schneizel is like giving a man with no legs a porsche. I just think of Suzaku staring at Schneizel wondering how to work the damn thing, giving up, and then using Schneizel to find where Schneizel keeps his pot.

He controls Schneizel and Nunnally controls him, so to speak. The application seems obvious, no?

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

One of my main problems with the ending is that out of the people mentioned that are safe guarding Lelouch's new world only Nunnaly has any real brains. Cornelia, Todoh, and Li are generals, and not very good ones at that, Suzaku, and Kallen are strictly soldiers as both are idiots, and Nunnaly isn't even out of high school.

That's what I meant when I said the world needs leaders, the problem is that what the world has is a bunch of fighters, since the leader just killed himself.

Li Xingke is what you get if you mush Suzaku and Lelouch together and throw in a little tuberculosis. He's probably dead, but nonetheless good at what he does. Cornelia is an excellent general. Sure kicked Lelouch's ass the first time around. Tohdoh managed to beat Knightmares without any Knightmares when Japan was invaded. Your assessment of these three is poor at best. Suzaku has Schneizel to think for him, so no harm. Kallen isn't evenn participating, so bringing her up is basically blaming the voters. The world has leaders, because peace-time doesn't require leaders of such ridiculous caliber as Lelouch. Lelouch is not the bar to be passed to make a good leader, but that which others should aspire to.

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

He controls Schneizel and Nunnally controls him, so to speak. The application seems obvious, no?

Li Xingke is what you get if you mush Suzaku and Lelouch together and throw in a little tuberculosis. He's probably dead, but nonetheless good at what he does. Cornelia is an excellent general. Sure kicked Lelouch's ass the first time around. Tohdoh managed to beat Knightmares without any Knightmares when Japan was invaded. Your assessment of these three is poor at best. Suzaku has Schneizel to think for him, so no harm. Kallen isn't evenn participating, so bringing her up is basically blaming the voters. The world has leaders, because peace-time doesn't require leaders of such ridiculous caliber as Lelouch. Lelouch is not the bar to be passed to make a good leader, but that which others should aspire to.

Cornelia regurally lost to Lelouch and needed help against him constantly, Suzaku was the only thing keeping Japan from being freed by episode 15. Her only use in Season 1 was to make Lelouch look good, she's a jobber plain and simple.

Todoh's General abilities are flat out Informed Ability, we are told Todoh is a great General but at no point in time are we shown his a great General. If he was, then people would follow him rather than the guy whose loyalty is extremely suspect. During the Black Knights rebellion the entire thing falls apart in minutes as soon as Lelouch is gone.

Once again if Li Xingke was such a great General when do we ever see this? We are once again told that Li Xingke is a combination of Lelouch and Suzaku, but his clearly at best the third best mecha pilot, and I would tab Jeremiah, and Bismark ahead of him making him 5th best. As for being Lelouch's equal, Lelouch constantly is shown to be his better, and Schneizel is the only person shown to be even close to Lelouch's level. Not exactly a great leader

Code Geass is one of the worst offenders of Informed Ability I have ever seen. We are told Li is Suzaku and Lelouch smushed together but his clearly not, his a poor man version of Suzaku. We are told Todoh is a great general but he does a horrible job onscreen, Cornelia's sole purpose in season 1 was to be with Euphemia, Job for Lelouch, and put up one good fight. It's the same thing with the KoR where we are told they are the best of the best when only Suzaku, and Bismark have any great talent.

Their where two competent leaders, Lelouch, and Schneizel, Lelouch is dead, and Schneizel's in the hands of an idiot.

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

Cornelia regurally lost to Lelouch and needed help against him constantly, Suzaku was the only thing keeping Japan from being freed by episode 15. Her only use in Season 1 was to make Lelouch look good, she's a jobber plain and simple.

Again, you're comparing ridiculous natural talent to people who are just good at it. You've set Lelouch as the bar when he's way above it.

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

Todoh's General abilities are flat out Informed Ability, we are told Todoh is a great General but at no point in time are we shown his a great General. If he was, then people would follow him rather than the guy whose loyalty is extremely suspect. During the Black Knights rebellion the entire thing falls apart in minutes as soon as Lelouch is gone.

Same as above. Informed or not, that he is worse than Lelouch is of little concern.

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

Once again if Li Xingke was such a great General when do we ever see this? We are once again told that Li Xingke is a combination of Lelouch and Suzaku, but his clearly at best the third best mecha pilot, and I would tab Jeremiah, and Bismark ahead of him making him 5th best. As for being Lelouch's equal, Lelouch constantly is shown to be his better, and Schneizel is the only person shown to be even close to Lelouch's level. Not exactly a great leader

Turn 11. He beats Lelouch in strategy. Lelouch himself admits it. Lelouch sees the bigger picture better is all.

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

Code Geass is one of the worst offenders of Informed Ability I have ever seen. We are told Li is Suzaku and Lelouch smushed together but his clearly not, his a poor man version of Suzaku. We are told Todoh is a great general but he does a horrible job onscreen, Cornelia's sole purpose in season 1 was to be with Euphemia, Job for Lelouch, and put up one good fight. It's the same thing with the KoR where we are told they are the best of the best when only Suzaku, and Bismark have any great talent.

Unfair comparisons all around. Li clearly is good at what he does. He managed to outflank Lelouch in the battle in Turn 24. He only loses to Suzaku because Suzaku has the hax Albion when they fight. Tohdoh leads the attack on Shikine Island in Stage 18 just fine. Cornelia lost to Lelouch only because he's better at what they do. Informed Ability tells us she's good herself. The KoR are also shown to be good. Luciano goes on a vertiable killing spree in Turn 17, even throwing a ship at another ship. Anya has kicked her share of ass, even Jeremiah if it weren't for that dirty trick with the hidden Knightmare. Gino pretty much beat Li. Everyone else who doesn't matter lost to the hax Albion.

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

Their where two competent leaders, Lelouch, and Schneizel, Lelouch is dead, and Schneizel's in the hands of an idiot.

Again, not competent, exceptional. Your standards are much too high.

[NyxOne]

Er, every time Lelouch faced Cornelia, it ended in his defeat. First time round, Narita, the battle at the docks (both in part thanks to the Lancelot), and the finale of R1 because her forces were mobilized. So, yeah. She doesn't suck as hard as you think she does, Charred.

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by NyxOne

Er, every time Lelouch faced Cornelia, it ended in his defeat. First time round, Narita, the battle at the docks (both in part thanks to the Lancelot), and the finale of R1 because her forces were mobilized. So, yeah. She doesn't suck as hard as you think she does, Charred.

First time was because of incompetent terrorists. Second and third times because of Suzaku. Fourth time because of Jeremiah and V.V.. Every single time, it wasn't Lelouch's fault for losing.

[NyxOne]

Cornelia still had a part to play, though.

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by NyxOne

Cornelia still had a part to play, though.

Maybe for the first and last conflicts. Lelouch likely would've won the first conflict had the terrorists actually believed in him, and the fourth, he had already beaten her thanks to Dalton; the battle was only lost because Jeremiah prevented him from securing Cornelia and because V.V. maneuvered him away from Tokyo.

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

Again, you're comparing ridiculous natural talent to people who are just good at it. You've set Lelouch as the bar when he's way above it.

Same as above. Informed or not, that he is worse than Lelouch is of little concern.

Turn 11. He beats Lelouch in strategy. Lelouch himself admits it. Lelouch sees the bigger picture better is all.

Unfair comparisons all around. Li clearly is good at what he does. He managed to outflank Lelouch in the battle in Turn 24. He only loses to Suzaku because Suzaku has the hax Albion when they fight. Tohdoh leads the attack on Shikine Island in Stage 18 just fine. Cornelia lost to Lelouch only because he's better at what they do. Informed Ability tells us she's good herself. The KoR are also shown to be good. Luciano goes on a vertiable killing spree in Turn 17, even throwing a ship at another ship. Anya has kicked her share of ass, even Jeremiah if it weren't for that dirty trick with the hidden Knightmare. Gino pretty much beat Li. Everyone else who doesn't matter lost to the hax Albion.

Again, not competent, exceptional. Your standards are much too high.

Your standards are to low, the world needs exceptional leaders. The world still needs Lelouch.

The world has just ended a huge costly war, the Middle East, and Europe are in shambles having lost to Britannia, Britannia has gained nothing, and Japan has lost over 10 million citizens, and just thrown off a brutal occupation force that killed a good portion of its citizens.

Also when I am told that someone is Suzaku, and Lelouch combined, I except Suzaku, and Lelouch combined not the poor man version of Suzaku and Lelouch combined.

Also if Xingke was so brilliant why doesn't he take Tubeculosis medication?

[NyxOne]

There was also the matter of Guilford and the Glaston Knights...but, eh, I digress.

Well, Charred, one doesn't always get what they want. And Lelouch is dead. Tough shit for the rest of the world now that they have the DREADFUL Li Xingke, Ougi Kaname and Toudou Kyoshirou as leaders, huh?

[Shadowcatch]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

Cornelia regurally lost to Lelouch and needed help against him constantly, Suzaku was the only thing keeping Japan from being freed by episode 15. Her only use in Season 1 was to make Lelouch look good, she's a jobber plain and simple.

Todoh's General abilities are flat out Informed Ability, we are told Todoh is a great General but at no point in time are we shown his a great General. If he was, then people would follow him rather than the guy whose loyalty is extremely suspect. During the Black Knights rebellion the entire thing falls apart in minutes as soon as Lelouch is gone.

Once again if Li Xingke was such a great General when do we ever see this? We are once again told that Li Xingke is a combination of Lelouch and Suzaku, but his clearly at best the third best mecha pilot, and I would tab Jeremiah, and Bismark ahead of him making him 5th best. As for being Lelouch's equal, Lelouch constantly is shown to be his better, and Schneizel is the only person shown to be even close to Lelouch's level. Not exactly a great leader

Code Geass is one of the worst offenders of Informed Ability I have ever seen. We are told Li is Suzaku and Lelouch smushed together but his clearly not, his a poor man version of Suzaku. We are told Todoh is a great general but he does a horrible job onscreen, Cornelia's sole purpose in season 1 was to be with Euphemia, Job for Lelouch, and put up one good fight. It's the same thing with the KoR where we are told they are the best of the best when only Suzaku, and Bismark have any great talent.

Their where two competent leaders, Lelouch, and Schneizel, Lelouch is dead, and Schneizel's in the hands of an idiot.

Todoh doesn't have the power of geass, so he can't make miracles happen regularly. He's able to hold his own against the more powerful opponents and people hold him in high regard. He may not have been extremely gifted as the show says he is, but he did never mess up.

Cornelia I agree, she wasn't as awesome as she was hyped up to be.

Xing was a strategist almost on par with Lelouch, and one hell of a knightmare pilot. He also had experience in politics, something people didn't have.

Schniezel is still smart as ever, he just uses that intelligence to help Nunnally and Suzaku. He was ordered to serve Zero, not to became mentally retarded.

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by NyxOne

There was also the matter of Guilford and the Glaston Knights...but, eh, I digress.

Well, Charred, one doesn't always get what they want. And Lelouch is dead. Tough shit for the rest of the world now that they have the DREADFUL Li Xingke, Ougi Kaname and Toudou Kyoshirou as leaders, huh?

The Glaston Knights did most of the damage, a whole lot more than Cornelia did. Cornelia only has two really great moments, the Gawain fight, and her defeat of V.V all other times she's jobbing by getting her ass saved by Suzaku, or someone else (Guiolford, Glaston Knights, Jeremiah)

Li Xingke is a competent General, Xingke is a competent Knightmare frame pilot, and Ougi's a moron who should be running a hot dog cart.

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

Your standards are to low, the world needs exceptional leaders. The world still needs Lelouch.

The world usually doesn't even have exceptional leaders. It certainly doesn't need them.

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

The world has just ended a huge costly war, the Middle East, and Europe are in shambles having lost to Britannia, Britannia has gained nothing, and Japan has lost over 10 million citizens, and just thrown off a brutal occupation force that killed a good portion of its citizens.

Making up non-existent costs again. There's no proof the world econmy is damaged in any way, and loss of life is always a problem in war.

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

Also when I am told that someone is Suzaku, and Lelouch combined, I except Suzaku, and Lelouch combined not the poor man version of Suzaku and Lelouch combined.

Also if Xingke was so brilliant why doesn't he take Tubeculosis medication?

Maybe such medication doesn't exist in Code Geass, or maybe it's something worse that can't be treated. We're never told. Blaming him for being sick is downright stupid, though. Explain "poor man" because you've done a terrible job thus far.

[NyxOne]

"Poor man" probably equates to him not showing such strategic acumen and such physical prowess as Lelouch and Suzaku respectively on an episodic basis.

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by Shadowcatch

Xing was a strategist almost on par with Lelouch, and one hell of a knightmare pilot. He also had experience in politics, something people didn't have.

Actually, Xingke was a tactician that was on par with Lelouch, Lelouch stated that he was a better strategist (for the long-term).

[PatriciaLamperouge]

Originally Posted by Miraploy

Oh I just found this. I guess this is the answer.

http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2...louchs-coffin/

Thx a lot 4 the link!!!
I can now be at ease after knowing CG's real ending
& now I understand y Nunnally can see through Lulu
btw, 4 me it's a perfect ending, sad but perfect

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

The world usually doesn't even have exceptional leaders. It certainly doesn't need them.

Making up non-existent costs again. There's no proof the world econmy is damaged in any way, and loss of life is always a problem in war.

Maybe such medication doesn't exist in Code Geass, or maybe it's something worse that can't be treated. We're never told. Blaming him for being sick is downright stupid, though. Explain "poor man" because you've done a terrible job thus far.

Considering that one of the reasons the second season was called R2 was the word "reconstruction" I would assume that the world is still not a nice place to live.

You never heard of "poor man's" before? It means similar but not as good.

Take for example someone that is Suzaku and Lelouch's actual equal, this person doesn't actually exist as Lelouch had no equals, and Suzaku's equal was Kallen.

Li Xingke would be the poor man's version of that person, his not as smart as Lelouch, and his not as good as Suzaku. His good in both cases (his the third smartest person behind Lelouch, and Schneizel, and his in the top ten pilots in the same category as Jeremiah, and Gino)

[NyxOne]

You know, not everything in a show has to abide by your standards, Charred...

[Shadowcatch]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Actually, Xingke was a tactician that was on par with Lelouch, Lelouch stated that he was a better strategist (for the long-term).

Strategist, Tactician, Meh they mean the same thing to me. They r supar de duber smartz!

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

Considering that one of the reasons the second season was called R2 was the word "reconstruction" I would assume that the world is still not a nice place to live.

You never heard of "poor man's" before? It means similar but not as good.

Take for example someone that is Suzaku and Lelouch's actual equal, this person doesn't actually exist as Lelouch had no equals, and Suzaku's equal was Kallen.

Li Xingke would be the poor man's version of that person, his not as smart as Lelouch, and his not as good as Suzaku. His good in both cases (his the third smartest person behind Lelouch, and Schneizel, and his in the top ten pilots in the same category as Jeremiah, and Gino)

Where to start? One, you're making more of a word than what there is. "Reconstruction" refers to Lelouch remaking the world, not that the world is a crap place to live. This nonsense about Xingke being inferior to Suzaku is just that, because they've never fought fairly. You're ignoring the fact that the Albion and Guren are uber machines no one else has. He beat Lelouch in tactics but loses in strategy, hence he is better in one but worse in another.

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

Where to start? One, you're making more of a word than what there is. "Reconstruction" refers to Lelouch remaking the world, not that the world is a crap place to live. This nonsense about Xingke being inferior to Suzaku is just that, because they've never fought fairly. You're ignoring the fact that the Albion and Guren are uber machines no one else has. He beat Lelouch in tactics but loses in strategy, hence he is better in one but worse in another.

Okouchi has stated that all of a sudden the world isn't going to be magically better.

Also claiming that Xingke had an inferior machine is the kind of talk losers make. Any Ace Pilot worth anything knows that its the pilot that makes the mecha, and not the mecha that makes the pilot. Xingke simply can't hold a candle to Suzaku, or Kallen.

Your even making crappy excuses like how the Albion was Uber/HAX when the Albion has nothing on Turn A Gundam, Devil Gundam, anything from G Gundam, anything from Wing Gundam, it couldn't even use flash step, I could understand if Suzaku was withstanding 200 Gs and using Shunpo while blowing up thousands of mechas but he wasn't.