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You are talking about shows with multiple seasons and they award based on the season. Those season runs are complete. That is not comparable at all, unless we are talking about something like say Gintama.
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Yeah Vaden, that's the same conclusion I've reached. We'll hopefully have one up by next year.
With regard to the whole "ongoing category" discussion... Just to clear up some confusion: The Ongoing category is for awarding ALL incomplete shows. NOT autumn shows, NOT shows that are in the cour the contest is in, ALL ongoing shows (they could have started a decade ago for what it's worth). If it just happens that everything sucks compared to these pesky 1-cour shows then so be it. Clearly size doesn't matter, but we already knew this from all the other categories. Remember if you don't like the voting options in a category you can also look at the nomination results for the bigger picture. Quote:
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2) They did serve a purpose because they tell us about a good series that started in 2012 and has not finished yet. Although it's not always the case often shows that started one year with 2 or more cours but end in the first cour of the next year are at a disadvantage because people end up forgetting about them. If there are stronger shows than Psycho Pass & Shin Sekai Yori in 2013 the awards next year will reflect that, if not they will win awards in 2013. I don't really see what the big deal is that there is one award given to a show that is ongoing. The very nature of the award tells us we aren't awarding it for being complete but awarding it for the fact that while it is not finished we are enjoying this show very much. Also no one ever said the award is only for shows that have no ending in sight. If people wanted to vote for those shows, obviously they are eligible but just because people didn't does not mean this award didn't serve a purpose.
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2) So why not name this award the 2/3 award? Award series based on their first two thirds. If their first two thirds were great, nominate it. It had an awesome start and all. How is this notable at all honestly? Quote:
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2013-02-15, 14:56 | Link #88 |
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Sorry I did know this it was my mistake in the wording
Reckoner I think you are making a way bigger deal out of this then there needs to be. It is one award for an unfinished series, that is all. The award isn't saying it is going to end up being the best series of all time. It's just saying hey of the series that are still airing we like this one the best. I am at a loss why that makes this a useless award. So we reward a series that might turn crappy in the end, who cares. You mentioned Another well I thought that was a huge disappointment and it still won an award in this contest. This is a fan award so in my perspective good & bad series can win by the nature of it anyways. I highly doubt people did not vote because of this one award.
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2013-02-15, 15:10 | Link #89 |
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Indeed it isn't just one award that did. It is an aggregation of meaningless categories. There is so much bloat in our current format, which I've been preaching for the last couple years, and I think this does deter people. It is a form of "ballot fatigue" so to speak.
For example, I still see the SoL vs Drama category to be one of the silliest propped up dichotomies in these awards. It is a complete farce - SoL overlaps with drama completely. I also hope we get rid of the Sports category (too little things to really matter and fits in drama anyways), best storyline/plot (What the heck is this even supposed to mean?), best setting (so what if it has a good setting, if the show fails to make use of it then it doesn't deserve to be praised, and I Think SAO didn't do very well on this front as is reflect in how it won nothing else).
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2013-02-15, 15:14 | Link #90 | |
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If you find it meaningless then there is a simple solution, don't vote for it. You seem to be the only person complaining about the award. On another note I also think many people would disagree with you that SOL=Drama.
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Although I think that might be an issue with a lot of the genre categories.
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SoL being ill-defined is just another reason for its removal, but I haven't seen a single definition of SoL that wouldn't just fit under any contemporary notion of what the "Drama" genre is about.
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But I think you are wrong to look at it as bringing down the awards. At the very least I think it would be interesting to see how the winner of this award does at next year's awards. I actually think this year had much lower profile series (with the exception of Fate Zero) so that in my opinion caused more of a low vote count than too many categories. *And by low profile I don't mean bad, in fact I often prefer lower profile series.
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---------------------------------------------------------- If the main goal of an improved Awards thread is to increase user participation, all of this genre talk isn't going to help much. There's a couple of problems that I see as barriers to more votes. First, it's not visible enough. Not everyone comes into the General forum, and of those that do, many might not check out the awards thread. A solution may be to pin an announcement link at the top of all the forums. Second, it's too complicated for posters casually reading the thread. It feels as if every, or at least a large number of categories need to be voted on. If a poster doesn't feel that he can contribute enough, then he may just abstain from voting altogether. Third, the voting is too exclusive. With only five choices per category, a poster may not feel that any of them reflects his choice. If he feels this way towards a few categories, there's a decent chance of another non-vote altogether. There's no simple fix for these last two if the current format is going to be retained. My suggestion would be to look at how other forums manage to get more inclusive results. The anime vote at Neogaf seems to be a good example of a method that manages to be both easy for casual posters to participate in, and inclusive of all shows. But I'm sure there's lots of other examples out there.
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Also I want to point out that I don't think the Anime Suki Choice Awards really reflect the best anime of the year. They only reflect what these forums feel are the best anime of the year.
Don't get me wrong I am tickled pink that Chihayafuru won best TV series (more so because I was told by a representative of Kodansa that they won't be licensing the manga because it's too esoteric) but the only thing these awards really tell me is I agree more with the taste of the members here (at least the members that voted). There is a reason this forum is a place I like to hang out at. edit: As for the voting phase not being inclusive of everyone's choices, well the nomination phase is. Unless the solution is to only have a voting phase but honestly I don't see more people nominating even when they have the choice of all series.
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2013-02-15, 16:49 | Link #98 |
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TBH i didn't vote in any of the categories in the voting phase that i didn't nominate due to the fact that either i didn't agree with the final nomination (can't agree with Another being Horror, for the same reasons why i don't consider movies franchises like Saw or Final destination as horror series) or simply because i haven't seen the serie.
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As the awards are for series published in a year, and there isn't THAT many each year, there is far too many categories with each far too few shows - and often the same show appearing in many categories. The opposite would be better, making awards more meaningful, voting more involving and reducing the "lobbying" effect of seeing a few shows completely dominating the entire contest. |
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2013-02-17, 13:13 | Link #100 |
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In fairness to Reckoner, I think there's a tricky balancing act that has to be performed in making the AS Choice Awards the best that they can be.
That balancing act is in duly considering interesting category ideas, but also in keeping the total number of categories down to a reasonable number. With "Best Ongoing...", I'll openly admit that I supported that added category. I felt it was necessary to address the one major flaw to our overall approach to two cour shows that start in the Fall, while also hopefully placating those that wanted to show support for SSY, Psycho-Pass, and/or Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. But at the same time, this was a concession for me, as I think you can get too many categories overall. Yes, at some point they really do start to detract from the worth of any one award. Perhaps more importantly, too many categories can eventually be a turn off to people voting (people generally don't like abstaining a lot in votes like this, and they might consider it a bit of a hassle to have to pick winners in a lot of different categories). Of course, you can also have too few categories, where certain strengths aren't recognized and awarded as they should be. With this in mind, I think there's a certain "sweet spot" for total number of categories. A "sweet spot" were you're recognizing all the key strengths, but not becoming bloated to the point of irrelevancy or voter intimidation. Personally, I think that sweet spot is very close to 20, and not much above it. For this reason, I don't want OPs and EDs to have separated categories. We have enough categories as it is, and OPs and EDs have very similar appeals.
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