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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQNrTv0u0Qo
Don't weep for me brothers, for I have tasted the Dornishman's wife!
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2013-11-07, 21:14 | Link #1046 |
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okay this may be a stupid question; but try to cut me some slack im just getting on with the series (regardless I sometimes miss certain subtleties):P I was watching the scene where Stannis tries to get Melisandre to stay with him instead of venturing off to look for Roberts other bastard son. There is a point where stannis pulls her close and tries to get intimate; but then something happens to him, he looks at her funny then quickly pulls away. Does Melisandre have some kind of Rogue-like power that drains men when they become intimate with her?
http://youtu.be/uLFz_au_lL8?t=1m3s I also read so many angry comments about this scene! Was Stannis in the books really that much a better character (w/o spoilers pls) I actually like Stannis alot, its too bad they haven't been concentrating on him as much as that boring stark kid that can see through animals >.>, its so annoying that they keep showing us him wandering around not doing anything terribly interesting. Anyway, I loved when Stannis looked at the massacre in the ocean when Tyrion strategized using the wild fire and said "Prepare to Land." lol |
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Ditto for Melisandre. Davos hates her (sort of), and we only ever see her through his eyes, so there's some distortion effect. Quote:
It's not a momentary weakness - the "fires are burning low" refers to Stannis' general state.
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2013-11-07, 22:28 | Link #1050 |
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Stannis IS a better character in many ways, Davos glamor or not. He have some serious dry wit. (I will not say since it would be spoilers)
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Also, he was the one who ordered his army north, not Melisandre or Davos. He also given several speeches that were omit by the show that really show Stannis's character. Even his enemies acknowledge his stubbornness and endurance. He is also known to hang rapist and Spoiler for Spoiler:
To be fair, they made Renly a bad character as well. =/
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2013-11-08, 10:02 | Link #1051 |
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This is a very hard question to answer without spoilers, but in general yes - while I like what HBO has done to an overwhelming degree, I don't think Stannis has fared well in the transition. I think they've lost the essence of what makes the character great, but I can't really go into detail without saying more than I should.
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2013-11-08, 11:17 | Link #1052 | |
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Loras also seem be fucking every guy who came his way...the real Renly is also a top 5 swordsman and very committed to Renly only. They also made Dany a lot better than book Dany (sort of). Book Dany killed a lot more people when she sacked Aperos with her Dragons. And the worst? Gah, that Red Cross Nurse from Volentis. Jeyne was a better character, no matter what some women may say.
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2013-11-08, 19:57 | Link #1053 |
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I don't have as much of a problem with Renly, because while he certainly lost some of his edge unlike with Stannis I think they caught the essence of why he was important: he was the brother with charisma. He was the one the people naturally loved, which is why Stannis resented him so much.
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2013-11-08, 23:51 | Link #1055 |
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One key point on Stannis vs Renly is actually Robert's fault.
Stannis did some MAJOR sacrifice for Robert during the war, including eatting rats and leather for a YEAR rather than surrender because it is his DUTY. He also crushed Balon and the Iron Island for Robert as well. What does Robert do? Named Stannis Master of Ships and Lord of DRAGONSTONE, rather than Lord of STORMLANDS (As his right). Why Dragonstone? Because traditionally, it is the post held by the next-in-line to the Iron Throne (If Robert die without heir). However, once Robert had Joffery (yes, we know is Jamie's). Stannis's position became worthless. So what is goodwill by Robert turned into Stannis's fury...and Renly? He ended up with the stormland/Tyrell instead, much to Stannis's chargin.
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I think that the biggest problem that the TV audience has with the show is that the show never said enough about Robert's Rebellion and how this war shaped just about every event in the story. The passage of time and the distance between locations don't come across very well either. Stannis is too harsh and unyielding. He also isn't the type to be friendly with.
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2013-11-09, 05:14 | Link #1057 |
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I feel I shouldn't wade into this, but here goes. What I think the TV series never really got about Stannis is that his greatest strength is also his greatest weakness. He was always someone who placed duty and the proper order of things above else - in a sense, you could call him an idealist for that. It made him be seen as rigid and unyielding - which in truth he is - but there's a real integrity to the man, which is why Davos (who I think most would agree is one of the truly decent people in a cast without many of them) is so loyal to him.
For me at least, the TV Stannis never really projected that tireless sense of duty and ethical purity - he's just a dour old curmudgeon who's too willing to compromise his ideals to further his goals. This issue of compromising on some things in order to play the long game is something that's an essential part of Stannis' arc - that struggle really defines who he is. And I don't think the TV series gets that point across very well.
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Anyway, Good King Joffrey.... I mean Good Guy Jack Gleeson visits Haiti for Charity.
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