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Vexx · 2010-04-08, 09:37

It wouldn't be unheard of to tie a final series in with the release of the last volume. Actually glad to hear he's struggling with a proper ending -- it *should* be a tough decision

tyranuus · 2010-04-08, 10:07

Yep, although we all know we want Holo/Lawrence together, but its good to hear hes trying to do justice to this next, possibly last, volume.

Rajura · 2010-04-08, 16:23

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Originally Posted by tyranuus

Yep, although we all know we want Holo/Lawrence together, but its good to hear hes trying to do justice to this next, possibly last, volume.

Of course, I don't wanna see it end, but I also don't wanna see it "jump the shark"... that would be the worst thing that could happen to this wonderful novel series!

Take all the time you need to do it perfectly!

Rose_t · 2010-04-12, 11:45

A little edge to the topic but translator who translates spice and wolf wanted direct that he has ended volume 2. But he have problems whit internet and also his computer fail, and have many stuff in real life. He releas translation when his school break starts.

Silent Wanderer · 2010-04-15, 22:29

While I'm happy he is trying to come up with a good ending, I hope he doesn't over think it.

Arashi500 · 2010-04-16, 11:46

Sad, all my favourite novel series are coming to an end or already finished. I really do hope it has a spectacular ending though.

Silent Wanderer · 2010-04-16, 20:15

I'm probably going to be attacked for this, but am I the only one who supports the cover changes? Now I hated the first cover, which made it look like some trashy romance novel. But I can understand why they would market it outside the typical fanbase. True, most people don't buy something they never heard about, but it might be easier for people to spread it to their friends.

If they change the cover for the second novel without making it look like that, I wouldn't mind. And I wouldn't be embarrassed to be seen reading it, because the original anime-esque ones can also give off the wrong idea.

Rajura · 2010-04-16, 20:27

This is a topic that has gotten quite a bit of discussion here. I think we are quite divided... however, I think most of us agree that an alternate cover may draw other readers, but the way they did the first was not as well thought out as it could have been.

I like the original covers, and I would have no problem with a "Westernized" dust jacket... but don't mess with the real book covers. This way, fans could take the dj off and put it wherever, so they could enjoy the original covers, and casual and "closet" readers could hide behind the "Westernized" dj.

I am glad many people had the opportunity to get the oiginal cover (though only as a dj). But, that it was an after-thought was like giving fans who had been looking forward to the release of the LN a double dose of the middle finger (especially since it had to be bought from particular dealers to obtain it). They really should have foreseen this and prepared in some form or fashion!

Silent Wanderer · 2010-04-16, 20:45

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Originally Posted by Rajura

I like the original covers, and I would have no problem with a "Westernized" dust jacket... but don't mess with the real book covers. This way, fans could take the dj off and put it wherever, so they could enjoy the original covers, and casual and "closet" readers could hide behind the "Westernized" dj.

That would have been a better idea than mine, actually. I love the original covers, I just don't like giving people the wrong impression...

I'd probably read them at home anyway, so it wouldn't matter much.

Rajura · 2010-04-17, 05:56

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Originally Posted by Silent Wanderer

That would have been a better idea than mine, actually. I love the original covers, I just don't like giving people the wrong impression...

I'd probably read them at home anyway, so it wouldn't matter much.

I think most people who have read them did the bulk of that reading at home... I read about 50 pages when I was waiting for a flight but that was it (then switched gears to Liberty and Tyranny). I personally would have felt a little more awkward if I had not had the original cover dj covering things up... as Yen's first attempt did come off a bit sultry. If the future dj's are the "Westernized" depictions, I won't complain as long as it fits the tone of the book and don't seem to misrepresent the content.

I would also like to see a re-release where they have the original covers and use the dj's from the Nih. releases, which were very nice. But... I don't see that happening.

Silent Wanderer · 2010-04-18, 22:37

Shame too. One thing I love about this series is that it doesn't have much fanservice, and I don't really even consider those scenes fanservice. It has very mature attitudes about nudity and sex. Same with Lawrence and Horo.

Really, all the character we have met so far act like real people. Horo and Lawrence actually have chemistry between them, so it doesn't feel like it's just because. Most series leave me wondering why the characters are falling in love. Because he/she is the main character and the writer wants him/her to be with another character? To please the shipper fanbase? Last minute hook-ups? Lawrence and Holo actually get along.

The way they get along is realistic, too. They don't feel like hormonal filled people who just found out about the other gender.

Vexx · 2010-04-19, 16:27

Partly, you're seeing the difference between the "seinen" grade of storytelling and the "shounen". Both Horo and Lawrence, despite their appearances, have been around the block a few times and it shows in the complexity of their relationship.
"first love" shounen stories, at best, often come off as awkward with many moments of stupidity... or of letting the story tumble based on 'focus groups' (fanbase). They've gotten better.... more than a few 'shounen' stories are acting much like a 'seinen' targeted story. But many (especially the ones based on harem choice games) still just fail in terms of 'feeling believable' -- they are more fantasy than a story about a wolf demigod and her human companion

Don't get me wrong, I've come across a fair pack of such stories based on date-sims that I've liked... but usually because it has subverted the archetypes in someway or diverged from the "usual rut in the road".

Alchemist007 · 2010-04-20, 05:41

I'm looking forward to reading this novel one day in the original Japanese. I like the anime, having only seen season 1. Good to know the author is thinking heavily on the outcome of their journey.

Lekner · 2010-04-20, 13:18

Go watch Season 2, its even better

Actually the book in english is rather good so dont hold back because its not in the original language

SakuraAyanami · 2010-04-20, 21:06

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Originally Posted by Lekner

Actually the book in english is rather good so dont hold back because its not in the original language

I have to agree on that. The book is a smooth read and quite enjoyable. And if your like me you'll ignore the text wen it says Holo and instead replace it with Horo ^^ .

What I do hope though is that (if yen press is going to continue with the dj original art) they have more than one online store with the DJ because I really prefer to buy from B&N/Amazon than Right Stuf (bad experience with them)

Alchemist007 · 2010-04-21, 02:41

It's not so much I don't like quality translations, but having read some original Japanese myself already, I find it a different experience with how the language works. And considering how much I hate cliffhangers (the reason I haven't seen S2 already), I think by the time I know enough to read the book (not to mention being able to afford it) it will be a complete collection.

Silent Wanderer · 2010-04-21, 20:03

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Originally Posted by Vexx

Partly, you're seeing the difference between the "seinen" grade of storytelling and the "shounen". Both Horo and Lawrence, despite their appearances, have been around the block a few times and it shows in the complexity of their relationship.
"first love" shounen stories, at best, often come off as awkward with many moments of stupidity... or of letting the story tumble based on 'focus groups' (fanbase). They've gotten better.... more than a few 'shounen' stories are acting much like a 'seinen' targeted story. But many (especially the ones based on harem choice games) still just fail in terms of 'feeling believable' -- they are more fantasy than a story about a wolf demigod and her human companion

Yep. Still, many seinen also comes across as unrealistic and forced. Not really a "fantasy" in the same way shonen romances are, but they sometimes come across as... strange.

I hope Yenpress doesn't drop this, though.

tyranuus · 2010-04-22, 05:47

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Originally Posted by Silent Wanderer

I hope Yenpress doesn't drop this, though.

You're not the only one, I actually sent them a letter regarding the series and how things like slow publication rate and fear it may be dropped before it is completed may hurt the series' sales etc.

LKK · 2010-04-26, 16:45

Yen Press revealed the covers for novel 2 today. As has been said before, the printed cover will be the original Japanese version. All copies will come with a dust jacket new cover that YP's retail customers want in the hopes of getting a wider audience. The new covers can be seen in YP's blog announcement.

http://yenpress.us/2010/04/spice-wol...-two/#comments

My personal opinion of the new dust jacket picture is that it is significantly better than the picture used for novel 1. I can't imagine anyone being embarassed about taking novel 2 to the check out counter to pay for the book like many people said about the cover to novel 1.

tyranuus · 2010-04-26, 17:03

Excellent news, not only is the second americanised cover significantly better (as I said it probably would be, ALTHOUGH there is still room for improvement!) but now everyone gets the choice of what to show

Just seeing the new cover actually excites me in a way because it reminds me how close the second novel is

'Do WANT!'

PS. Animation studios...also do want season 3...4, 5 and 6

2010-04-08, 09:37	Link #981
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	It wouldn't be unheard of to tie a final series in with the release of the last volume. Actually glad to hear he's struggling with a proper ending -- it should be a tough decision __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2010-04-08, 10:07	Link #982
tyranuus Team Spice and Wolf UK Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: England Age: 36	Yep, although we all know we want Holo/Lawrence together, but its good to hear hes trying to do justice to this next, possibly last, volume. __________________ Total Anime watched= Enough. What can I say? I'm a convert... *** PRAY FOR SPICE AND WOLF III and faster Yenpress novel releases! Reading: None at the moment

2010-04-16, 11:46	Link #986
Arashi500 Cthulhu Fhtagn! Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: R'yleh	Sad, all my favourite novel series are coming to an end or already finished. I really do hope it has a spectacular ending though. __________________

2010-04-16, 20:27	Link #988
Rajura My wolfu is >> your waifu Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Charleston, West Virginia Age: 42	This is a topic that has gotten quite a bit of discussion here. I think we are quite divided... however, I think most of us agree that an alternate cover may draw other readers, but the way they did the first was not as well thought out as it could have been. I like the original covers, and I would have no problem with a "Westernized" dust jacket... but don't mess with the real book covers. This way, fans could take the dj off and put it wherever, so they could enjoy the original covers, and casual and "closet" readers could hide behind the "Westernized" dj. I am glad many people had the opportunity to get the oiginal cover (though only as a dj). But, that it was an after-thought was like giving fans who had been looking forward to the release of the LN a double dose of the middle finger (especially since it had to be bought from particular dealers to obtain it). They really should have foreseen this and prepared in some form or fashion! __________________ Primary Faith: Christianity Secondary Faith: Holoism

2010-04-18, 22:37	Link #991
Silent Wanderer Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2010	Shame too. One thing I love about this series is that it doesn't have much fanservice, and I don't really even consider those scenes fanservice. It has very mature attitudes about nudity and sex. Same with Lawrence and Horo. Really, all the character we have met so far act like real people. Horo and Lawrence actually have chemistry between them, so it doesn't feel like it's just because. Most series leave me wondering why the characters are falling in love. Because he/she is the main character and the writer wants him/her to be with another character? To please the shipper fanbase? Last minute hook-ups? Lawrence and Holo actually get along. The way they get along is realistic, too. They don't feel like hormonal filled people who just found out about the other gender. Last edited by Silent Wanderer; 2010-04-19 at 00:28.

2010-04-12, 11:45	Link #984
Rose_t Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010	A little edge to the topic but translator who translates spice and wolf wanted direct that he has ended volume 2. But he have problems whit internet and also his computer fail, and have many stuff in real life. He releas translation when his school break starts.

2010-04-15, 22:29	Link #985
Silent Wanderer Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2010	While I'm happy he is trying to come up with a good ending, I hope he doesn't over think it.

2010-04-16, 20:15	Link #987
Silent Wanderer Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2010	I'm probably going to be attacked for this, but am I the only one who supports the cover changes? Now I hated the first cover, which made it look like some trashy romance novel. But I can understand why they would market it outside the typical fanbase. True, most people don't buy something they never heard about, but it might be easier for people to spread it to their friends. If they change the cover for the second novel without making it look like that, I wouldn't mind. And I wouldn't be embarrassed to be seen reading it, because the original anime-esque ones can also give off the wrong idea.

2010-04-19, 16:27	Link #992
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	Partly, you're seeing the difference between the "seinen" grade of storytelling and the "shounen". Both Horo and Lawrence, despite their appearances, have been around the block a few times and it shows in the complexity of their relationship. "first love" shounen stories, at best, often come off as awkward with many moments of stupidity... or of letting the story tumble based on 'focus groups' (fanbase). They've gotten better.... more than a few 'shounen' stories are acting much like a 'seinen' targeted story. But many (especially the ones based on harem choice games) still just fail in terms of 'feeling believable' -- they are more fantasy than a story about a wolf demigod and her human companion Don't get me wrong, I've come across a fair pack of such stories based on date-sims that I've liked... but usually because it has subverted the archetypes in someway or diverged from the "usual rut in the road". __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2010-04-20, 05:41	Link #993
Alchemist007 Senior Member Author Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA	I'm looking forward to reading this novel one day in the original Japanese. I like the anime, having only seen season 1. Good to know the author is thinking heavily on the outcome of their journey. __________________ Fanfics Art MyAnimeList

2010-04-20, 13:18	Link #994
Lekner Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010	Go watch Season 2, its even better Actually the book in english is rather good so dont hold back because its not in the original language __________________ Anime, where insanity becomes reality

2010-04-21, 02:41	Link #996
Alchemist007 Senior Member Author Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA	It's not so much I don't like quality translations, but having read some original Japanese myself already, I find it a different experience with how the language works. And considering how much I hate cliffhangers (the reason I haven't seen S2 already), I think by the time I know enough to read the book (not to mention being able to afford it) it will be a complete collection. __________________ Fanfics Art MyAnimeList

2010-04-26, 16:45	Link #999
LKK Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Virginia, USA Age: 62	Yen Press revealed the covers for novel 2 today. As has been said before, the printed cover will be the original Japanese version. All copies will come with a dust jacket new cover that YP's retail customers want in the hopes of getting a wider audience. The new covers can be seen in YP's blog announcement. http://yenpress.us/2010/04/spice-wol...-two/#comments My personal opinion of the new dust jacket picture is that it is significantly better than the picture used for novel 1. I can't imagine anyone being embarassed about taking novel 2 to the check out counter to pay for the book like many people said about the cover to novel 1. __________________ Avatar: Hazuki of Natsuyuki Rendezvous / Signature: flowers from Natsuyuki Rendezvous

2010-04-26, 17:03	Link #1000
tyranuus Team Spice and Wolf UK Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: England Age: 36	Excellent news, not only is the second americanised cover significantly better (as I said it probably would be, ALTHOUGH there is still room for improvement!) but now everyone gets the choice of what to show Just seeing the new cover actually excites me in a way because it reminds me how close the second novel is 'Do WANT!' PS. Animation studios...also do want season 3...4, 5 and 6 __________________ Total Anime watched= Enough. What can I say? I'm a convert... *** PRAY FOR SPICE AND WOLF III and faster Yenpress novel releases! Reading: None at the moment