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How do I know? Because her punches get lighter in her loli form, and that's only possible if her loli body has less weight than her real body, and that's only possible if the mass of her body has changed. All in all I'm pretty sure that's something she wouldn't be able to achieve with manipulation. That's my take, take it as you will.
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2013-06-10, 12:34 | Link #3042 | |
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2013-06-10, 12:51 | Link #3043 |
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If I remember correctly, when you do the test to see your nen affinity (the glass thing), if you're a transmutation type, the water will turn sweet (like honey). So clearly, it's not only about changing your own aura. Hizoka's texture surprise is another example of how transmutation can be used to change an abject.
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2013-06-10, 13:06 | Link #3044 |
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I also don't get where people seem to get the idea that Manipulation = Telekinesis, when nothing couldn't be farther from the truth. It has nothing to do with making things move. (unless you give it the order to move and it then does so)
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2013-06-10, 16:46 | Link #3045 | ||
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But yes, there is the water test. Maybe what happens is that the user sends aura into the water and gives it a flavorful property. Quote:
And Kurapika explained he kept his chain around to make people think he was a manipulator with a real chain. Spoiler for manga:
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2013-06-10, 18:52 | Link #3047 | |
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Transmutation training involves forming shapes with your aura and moving it around. It doesn't involve objects at all (unlike, say, Reinforcement training which involves hitting rocks with rocks). As I mentioned earlier, I completely fail to see the practical difference. Sure, there are a lot of manipulators who specialize in giving orders to living beings (Shalnark, kiss-girl, dog-guy, etc), but there are also manipulators who give orders to inanimate objects. And if you can make an inanimate object do whatever you want, what the hell is the difference when it comes to the end effect? You seem to be acting like it's just telepathy or mind control or something, when it's clearly not. The manipulated object doesn't need a "will" to be manipulated, which means you can use it as telekinesis, or at least to simulate telekinesis. And since telekinesis is not a thing that exists in real life, there is no difference whatsoever. |
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2013-06-11, 04:38 | Link #3050 | ||
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So Hisoka transmutes his aura into a substance with the properties of gum and rubber. Machi transmutes her aura into the form of thread, alongside the properties of thread. Killua transmutes his aura into electricity. In Fullmetal Alchemist, Edward Elric can transmute concrete into metal. Object into object. Quote:
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2013-06-11, 05:38 | Link #3051 | |
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So what do you think Manipulation is? You've said an awful lot about what you think it's not, but you haven't said what it is. |
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No it's not. It's not made of matter.
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2013-06-11, 15:28 | Link #3054 |
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Transmutation was defined by Wing as well as other as "changing/shaping the AURA". Manpulation was defined as "manpulating/changing the MATTER".
This is why body-clone guy, Shalnark, mind-control kiss girl, etc, all used manipulation. Hell, even the emission guy who gets killed in YKC with his black ballon guy army use manipulation in order to 'program' his balloon-army. We also have a classic example of manipulation that is the same as Biscuit: Illumi. |
2013-06-11, 16:30 | Link #3055 | ||||
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This includes aura. Aura can become matter and Transmuters are literally directly next to Conjurers on the chart. Also from the opener of episode 39, "Somewhat akin to Transmuters, Conjurers are able to manifest their aura." Though aura is invisible to most people, its presence can still be felt by those who are unaware of its existence. Gon in episode 16, Killua in episode 28. It counts as an object. You're picking at hairs. Obviously a simplified example for the sake of the argument and an example of what Transmutation can be. I could have said "alchemists believed that they could transmute metal into gold; object into object" and the point would've been the same. Quote:
Perhaps you misunderstood due to my writing style. "Living objects" and "things" were supposed to be two distinct categories. Instead of things, substitute with a synonym I intended..."inanimate objects." Again, from episode 39: "Manipulators can use their auras to control objects and creatures." Quote:
During water divination, Transmuters alter the taste of the water. OBJECT CHANGED. The key point to understanding is that aura counts as an object in this series. Quote:
You're right in saying that Illumi can change his face and that there's no certainty that Nen has anything to do with it. It may be an assassination art. Killua can sharpen his hands and can alter the qualities of his arms into whiplike snakes, but that isn't Nen either. |
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2013-06-13, 14:23 | Link #3056 | ||
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So did Toto, for that matter. Which is different from "mind control" in that it's not necessarily the mind that needs controlling. If it were mind control, controlling inanimate objects would become problematic. |
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2013-06-15, 23:45 | Link #3060 |
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I haven't even read the manga, and even I've heard that Togashi has said Neferpitou is male (could be false, I suppose). It certainly wouldn't be the first time in H x H he's introduced a male character people mistook for a female (I never thought so with Kurapika, but he got me with Kalluta).
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