(L) Hunter x Hunter

[Hisoka??]

Originally Posted by Kokukirin

It's rather unclear to me how conscious is she. She is evidently conscious enough to tell Killua to make a wish. But it seems her own wishes are entirely driven by her power, so she has no control over it.

And when is she conscious? Her power has only two modes. There doesn't seem to be an idle phase in her life. But she also does not activate her power in front of her family. There are so many questions about her ability. Hopefully Togashi will clear them in coming weeks.

we don't really know if she has a time limit to her request though. She could sort of just go through life without asking for favours. Or wait on her requests till she meets a bad person to kill the person. Although I wonder what happens if her pesterings are spread among 4 pple instead of just 1 person.

btw there was a previous topic about how old Netero was. while not indicative, Mr egghead had previously mentioned sometime in the hunter exams that netero had told him he was already a century old for 20 over years. This likely meant he was at least 120 if not more when he died. In fact if we factor in how he tends to under-rate stuff, he might be nearer to 200...

[marvelB]

Okay, so I found a summary that's related to those above spoiler pics:

Spoiler:

So first of all, it looks like Illumi tells Hisoka that he's well aware that Killua will ask his sister to help Gon. However, he believes that since curing Gon will require an enormous amount of energy, an estimated 10,000 people will die if Killua fails to fulfill Alluka's "pesterings"......


As for Alluka herself, it looks like she has a split personality. The "normal" Aluka is the friendlier one, it would seem.



Well, I think most of us pretty much figured that such a gigantic risk would be involved in Alluka using her power to save Gon......

[noktown]

Originally Posted by kakakka

Wow. early spoilers.

Spoiler for 323:

Talking about wishing her to be a normal girl, I feel bad that she has to wait another pestering for that. And that maybe Killua's father only permitted Killua to met her for only one wish. And wishing for her to be normal does not necessarily removes her power/curse.

Spoiler for :

Yeah i think it's like in Yu-Gi-Oh the Cost/Condition can't be negated xD

I think this is all going towards her trying to find a way to control her powers(of course after they saved Gon and Killua paid that price,we don't want to make things easy,do we ?),possibly joining Gon's and killua's crew.

[Clarste]

I'm thinking the payment will be long term things, that will be paid back over the course of other things happening.

[yuzen003]

Originally Posted by marvelB

Okay, so I found a summary that's related to those above spoiler pics:

Spoiler:

So first of all, it looks like Illumi tells Hisoka that he's well aware that Killua will ask his sister to help Gon. However, he believes that since curing Gon will require an enormous amount of energy, an estimated 10,000 people will die if Killua fails to fulfill Alluka's "pesterings"......

Spoiler for :

Is this spoiler accurate as the previous chapter indicated the recipient of the wish doesn't pay the price in advance. Since the requests are based on the last wish the current requests should be based on a wish for a high end pc system. The person after Killua would have to deal with the cost of healing Gon unless the last chapter was mistranslated.

[christinemarie]

Alluka is very sweet and moe as expected (maybe we can see her in Japan Saimoe 2013), and Killua making jokes is quite obvious makes me remember a certain movie that would air next year. I expect an Edward Elric final and not Madoka Kaname final style of payment as its equivalent exchange for Killua's wish to save Gon.

Spoiler:

I want to pair AllukaXGon so much that it's like Harry Potter's love story again where he becomes a boyfriend of his friend's younger sister. I like some time skip as well for this to happen.

[Triker]

I think you all forgot that Alluka is a guy. Hunter X Hunter guide book stated all zoldyck family's children are male.

I don't know why Killua called Alluka "younger sister" tho.

The reason that Alluka looks like a girl could the same reason as Kalluto - their Mother's preference.

[omimon]

Okay, through this chapter it seems we learned a bit more about Alluka. It seems he is indeed a boy and Killua just likes to call him his sister. Second it seems the pesterings doesn't actually have to be fulfilled, Alluka just needs to think it happened.

[t3ck]

Since the requests are based on the last wish the current requests should be based on a wish for a high end pc system. The person after Killua would have to deal with the cost of healing Gon unless the last chapter was mistranslated.

Thats what i thought too. So why is Killua at risk of 'messing up' if the pester are suppose to be small in contrast to the wish his brother made for a high end PC?

This is more mind f**king than whether alluca is male or female lol.

[Kanon]

Alluka's a boy after all? Well, whatever. He's still cute anyway.

Originally Posted by omimon

Okay, through this chapter it seems we learned a bit more about Alluka. It seems he is indeed a boy and Killua just likes to call him his sister. Second it seems the pesterings doesn't actually have to be fulfilled, Alluka just needs to think it happened.

Hmm, I'm not entirely sure about that. The "die for me" request might just be a game they used to play when they were kids, therefore he didn't expect Killua to truly die. He even asked him to wake up afterwards. Furthermore, the other two pesterings were very trivial (wake up and play shiratori) so it doesn't really make sense for the first one to be so "deadly".

Originally Posted by t3ck

Thats what i thought too. So why is Killua at risk of 'messing up' if the pester are suppose to be small in contrast to the wish his brother made for a high end PC?

This is more mind f**king than whether alluca is male or female lol.

Have you read the chapter? It's all explained in there.

Killua's already fulfilled Alluka's pesterings since her eyes turned black at the end of the chapter. He can now make his wish and get the hell out... but that's not when he intends to do. The problem as Illumi explained is that Killua will most likely refuse to let someone else pay the price for his wish, so he will try to shoulder the pesterings himself. If he fails... every character in the series that has ever met him will die, if Illumi's estimated number of victims is correct

I loved the dialogue between Hisoka and Illumi. Illumi's indeed quite a piece of work himself

[Key Board]

so not only Alluka's gender is variable, we also don't know where s/he came from

wtf?

so Alluka was adopted? what/which Alluka did Illumi refer to when he said "we just don't know where he came from"

[margafred]

Ok so from what i get here

If someone refuses Alluka's pestering 4 times

Spoiler for Consenquences:

- The person would die
- The lover (or anyone closest in terms of love) of that particular person would die
- Anyone that spent time more with that particular person would die too, depending on the extend of the wish (the bigger the wish, the longer the time period would be).

So in the case of Killua, based on what Illumi said, if Killua took the burden of the pestering from his wish of having Gon back to normal but failed to do it.

Spoiler for Consenquences:

- Killua would definitely die
- The lover (or anyone closest in terms of love) of Killua would definitely die too. In this case, no one else but Gon.
- Anyone that spent time, even for just a short period of time with Killua would definitely die too. In this case, the whole Zoldyick family, their butlers, Hisoka, Leorio, Kurapika, most of the Genei Ryodan members, and those who were involved with him from the Hunter Exam arc till Ant arc would die too.

Correct me if i'm wrong there..

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Spoiler for Chapter 323:

Killua faking his death using godspeed reaction means any method of fulfilling the pestering is allowed. So in case of Alluka is asking for a body part, it might be possible to just using Nen to materialize the body part and give it to Alluka, since Alluka doesn't seem to have any potential of using or knowing anything about Nen. More like its Alluka's other side of personality that controls the ability to grant wish and impose the burden on someone else.

And also, the first pestering after Alluka granted Milluki's request is to ask Killue to die, but after Killua managed to fulfill it, the next pestering doesn't seem to be that bad (playing Shiritori). This could mean that only the first pestering after a wish is granted that actually carries the whole burden, not the whole 3-4 pestering. The burden is carried forward to the next one (and probably will add up more too) if that person failed to fulfill the pestering. In other words, Killua has a total 4 chances to fulfill Alluka's pestering, with greater burden imposed on the next pestering if Killua failed to fulfill the previous one.

But i think, Killua will use something different from what Illumi has suggested, since Killua mentioned about real Alluka and unknown entity sharing in one body. Real Alluka is powerless, and knows nothing about Nen, means that if Killua want to settle the whole thing, its with the unknown entity that he should face.

Knowing Yoshihiro Togashi's riddling style, i guess it would be something like reversing or manipulating the whole ritual so that
- Gon can be saved and
- The pestering effect is minimized or
- The pestering effect is reversed towards the unknown entity as the next person or
- Separating both the unknown entity and real Alluka into 2 unrelated bodies or
- Killua is haxing his way to fulfill the biggest pestering from Alluka that could cost the life of 90% characters in HXH.

I have to admit, every previous arc (except, maybe, the Ant arc) of HXH was full of riddle, and this one is no exception either. And the solution to it was always mind boggling and out of what we may had imagined. Togashi is seriously a genius in this. Illumi might have predicted what Killua is going to do, but i think Togashi will gonna do it the other way round (definitely, please don't let me down on this Togashi-sama ).

Looking forward to the next chapter~

[ellifeedn]

I love how the translators had to make a note saying that they weren't intentionally f**king with us when they translated Alluka's gender.

[kakakka]

At the same time, their wordings are confusing, at least to me who just woke up.

From what I understand, Killua will do 2 sets of pestering. The first one to get Gon's wish, and the other to pay for that grand wish.

[mrShady]

I'm getting a headache....

But the way I understand it Killua actually did die (though it also appeared to be faked) but the second request was for him to wake up and the final request was that game. Thus he completed them all. Would it not be possible for Alluka to request something and then negate that same request with the next request.
To explain:
Request 1: Die
Request 2: Wake up
In order for Killua to wake up he needs to be alive, thus the request made by Alluka made him come back to life and negates the 1st request...

Ofcourse he could have faked it, however it didn't look like he activated god speed.

There's also the matter of this being his sibling. Alluka may be compelled to ask something horrible, but because they share a close connection the next request could be beneficial to Killua because Alluka doesn't want to see Killua hurt. This would be possible only for them, because of their love for eachother.

[marvelB]

LOL, so Togashi's basically trolling us by purposely making Alluka's gender ambiguous?! Well whatever, I'll stick to calling her a girl, anyway.



And now I feel more certain than ever that Pariston will find out about Alluka and take advantage of her power. I mean, Killua is amongst those who didn't vote, right? So now we've learned that there's going to be a mandatory meeting between the zodiacs and all of the licensed hunters, which may give the vice-chairman the opportunity to gain info that would be most advantageous for him.....

[Neki Ecko]

Or maybe some of the family doesnt know that Alluka's true gender, given the fact that most of them is out on assignments for long periods in time (maybe) or maybe Togashi wants us to rack our brain about this. To me, Alluka is a girl.

I have to agreed with marvelB, that Pariston is going to find out about Alluka's powers and try to use it for himself.

[mrShady]

@marvelB: I doubt that, it's a zoldyck family secret I don't think they are going to spread it around. And it's not like Pariston has anything to say over them or their family. Heck I wouldn't even be suprised if he would avoid them, considering their reputation and strength. Would he even recognize them, they are still a mystery to most people.

[margafred]

Originally Posted by mrShady

But the way I understand it Killua actually did die (though it also appeared to be faked) but the second request was for him to wake up and the final request was that game. Thus he completed them all. Would it not be possible for Alluka to request something and then negate that same request with the next request.
To explain:
Request 1: Die
Request 2: Wake up
In order for Killua to wake up he needs to be alive, thus the request made by Alluka made him come back to life and negates the 1st request...

He didn't die.

When Alluka pesters for something, she (yea she, no he pls) only says it without any intention at all. She doesn't have any sort of power at all, so her pesters are powerless, just a simple request that brings no harm. All her powers come from her other side, in which will only activate if
- Someone didn't do what she pesters 4 times in a row
- Someone fulfilled her pesters 3 times in a row

I think Killua already anticipates his sister's pestering to ask him to die (absurd request imo in return for granting Milluki's wish for latest and newest computer). Even if she didn't mean it, Killua still had to do it, for the sake of the rule. The implication might be greater for the next pestering if he didn't "die" from his sis's first pestering (like Kasuga's liver --> duodenum --> spine --> brain). At least acting as if he has died is easy, with his Kanmuru, better than if his sis asking for something even worst, like his brain or his spine, in which his Kanmuru will be useless.

The 2nd request that asked Killua to wake up didn't revive him at all. As i said, Alluka's request holds no power, only if the rule is fulfilled then only her power will be activated.

Originally Posted by mrShady

Ofcourse he could have faked it, however it didn't look like he activated god speed.

There's also the matter of this being his sibling. Alluka may be compelled to ask something horrible, but because they share a close connection the next request could be beneficial to Killua because Alluka doesn't want to see Killua hurt. This would be possible only for them, because of their love for eachother.

Like what omimon said above, as long as Alluka accepts it, then the pestering can be considered as done. That means, if Killua simply lies down, only acting like being shot when Alluka bangs him with her finger gun, i doubt Alluka will accept it as "die". Killua had to make it so real in order to give the impression to his sis that he has indeed died. And this is where the danger lies, because his sister doesn't really care what will happen to Killua, coz she only treats it as a part of a play. She doesn't know that her impression towards Killua determines Killua's fate. Its just either she is emotionless, or because of the effect of the ability that resets her emotion back to zero, as if nothing happens.

I doubt emotion plays any help to Killua. Her sister looks fine even after being confined inside the prison for years, not showing any sad feeling at all. To her, she just treats everything as a fun play, without knowing the implication behind it. Asking Killua to die is bad enough imo, okay let just say she probably anticipated that Killua could do such feat without any problem. But then that would just mean she will keep in believing that Killua is able to do just about anything, no matter how horrible it is.

The key in solving the pestering rule lies on how closest Killua can probably deceive his sister into believing that he can actually do whatever she requests for. Hiding his head inside the shirt at superhuman reaction speed is one of his feat, thanks to his Nen. But then there are even horrible ways of dying, that even his Kanmuru wouldn't be able to help. If worst comes, the last thing he could probably do would be

Spoiler for lol:

electrocuting his sis's brain, altering her memories into thinking that all her pestering have been fulfilled.

[noktown]

From what i noticed there is no time limit on the pesterings,so could Killua just ask to cure Gon,she'd ask him to bring a star from the sky(example),so he can tell her he'll complete it later,but later can be forever.... ?