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But before we make ANY assumptions about Little Busters coming out after Haruhi 2, we first have to get a confirmation that Haruhi 2 will air after Clannad AS...
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2008-09-06, 18:15 | Link #405 |
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I have to ask something for the people that played this game...
Does it have sad arcs like the other Key works? and Among Kanon, Little Busters, Clannad, and Air, where does Little busters rank at?
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2008-09-06, 18:32 | Link #406 |
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basically, you can say LB is very "similar" to clannad in the content: big mix of "big fun and cute" but then, a sharp nakuge on the face.
I haven't yet continue the new arcs for the original heroines, but I heard the new Kudo is a real crying session, so... It is very different from clannad in term of themes and characters, but the "structure" is the same: prologue/fun/big fun/trouble/drama/crying spike/heartwarming resolution. I would however say that Saya's route is just a killer, and I'm quite puzzled why it doesn't have a "true happy end", nor why the hell you can only access it once...
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2008-09-06, 22:45 | Link #407 | |
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I suppose Kyousuke must have seen some value in her, so she can provide that ending to Riki to make him a bit "stronger", or he'll have used his "Gamemaster Authority" and squished her a lot sooner... Spoiler:
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2008-09-07, 02:10 | Link #408 |
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I personally felt the other way around: considering how Saya's trial and predicament was done and the loop beforehand, I felt the romance was working properly though I agree that, from Riki's perspective, they could work better about his feelings.
The route itself was kinda on the better group for me, considering its panel of quirks and especially Saya's interactions which are really different from the usual key/LB heroine. Spoiler for end saya route:
Ironically enough, I think that Rin was one of the weakest romance built in the heroine character as a starter. No matter how Rin had already feelings from ages ago, the execution wasn't that convincing especially the brutal "let's going out together". Romance itself was fine when they were running away, but the start was really not natural.
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And there is nothing wrong with that. Considering the two's apparent mental development (and really, at least half the cast's mental development), it is having romance that's un-natural. Sure, all of them have issues, but solving one's issues hardly means romance and sex! Even if they had more mental development, seeing that Riki is not exactly "infatuated at first sight" with any of them, any romance will have to grow from deepening friendship and that takes time, and the IMO Rin routes are one of the very few in H-games to actually show the characters taking that time, slowly working their way up to sex. How many H-games do you see about 3 kiss scenes and 2 foreplay scenes before finally working up to the first penetration, which fails miserably? No, all men, even those weakling-types like Riki are sex experts and they know how to make women feel good on their first try... And so, that leaves the presentation, and come on, that was typical Rin! When she's not being shy (forget Kurugaya's diatribe about how calling one's familiar name is like making a small effort to pass another bicycle; the real difficulty for Rin looks to be higher than fighting bears or being launched into the 3rd floor classroom...), she's a brutally straight person. Just the facts, as she sees them anyway. It is using a more delicate or roundabout expression that would be shocking. |
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Concerning Saya, I believe it would stick too much on the perspective and point of view. I don't think it would be useful to repeat my points about the quirks etc (especially the burst of feelings after... like insane amount of loops).
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Whoever say that another girl would work better for Riki compared to Rin is very wrong. But, in Rin case, the start was the worst possible among the possible heroines, even more than Kanata, which has probably the worst possible affinity with Riki. That is the very big problem here.
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Because the way I see it, it was very natural for them. Rin had always liked Riki but did not have the emotional maturity to recognize exactly what it is. When Rin heard another girl is coming after Riki, presumably her jealousy made her realize, to a small extent, what her feelings were. Action follows. Riki probably had even weaker feelings, but he does like Rin, it is a good excuse to put off the girl coming at him (no doubt Kyousuke "installed" the girl), and he doesn't have to leave the group that way. So, when Rin called him, it raised his consciousness just a bit and so he agrees. Quote:
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Frankly, there is awkwardness in Rin's routes, but it had little to do with their relationship, which again IMO is as natural as they come in H-games. What's awkward is that School. We understand the general concept of the school, but why Kyousuke set up the details like he did is a mystery. Spoiler for Rant about The School:
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That is nonsense if you ask me: she would be really unsecure and completely clueless about the meaning of her feelings, yet she is blurting out "let's go out" ? That's like expecting the usual moe blob osanajimi asking for that without the usual awkward build up, confession etc. The confession isn't a factor needed all the time, but the build up was next to zero, and no, their chilhood friends status DON'T justify that at all. Quote:
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I wouldn't question about Kanata's quick romance, but the rest of the girls, particularly Haruka, Kudo and some extent, Mio and Yuiko. Their story drew the usual but yet effective "worry, good time, realization etc". They might be not as a "basic choice" as Rin, but they do have affinity with Riki which I really can't call that rushed. 1 Month is too quick? I'm surprised as most eroge can give the infatuation within mere days. And still, they didn't bump on each other for mere talk here and there as flags. Common events were big boom (baseball training, fun with everyone, match etc), and the specific flags were pushing the curve of each heroine progressively. So "infatuation" within a month doesn't seem accurate to me. Quote:
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As she feels safer and more familiar, she'll begin to slip back into her true form, which is mostly straight brutality. It only took her a week or less to start rapping Kudo on the head as tsukkomi, even from her non-socialized state. Perhaps that's why she seemed to take the most time before getting really comfortable with Komari, mostly because she's so syrupy sweet that Rin is more hesitant to slip into naturality than with the others. With Riki, she's as comfortable as she can get. Brutality is the natural state. As for the feelings, having re-read the section, it is clear that tsukiaou simply doesn't have deep romantic feelings for Rin, or perhaps Rin's shyness range to words is low. In fact, it all was a bit of mercurialism, probably just a bit of whim propelled by the 1-in-20 parts Romanticism she had for Riki that got just so slightly stimulated by the event. The end result is that a brutal invitation is almost inevitable. The usual moe blob osananajimi is generally too nice and polite, and will not be recognized to be so clueless, that it'll look un-natural. More importantly, they'll have to be much deeper in love before they'll even use the word, which makes it much harder to say. For Rin, there are few other ways to reflect her character, how limited her understanding of the word is, and all that. As for the build up, why? Any buildup we can see means a sudden vector change. They've been friends for ~6 years (the game says 10 officially, but yeah, you really believe those characters are adults too...). Sharp attitude vector changes are less plausible than just slowly gliding in like they did. Quote:
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I'm sorry, but this is nonsense: even if they had feelings for each other for a certain amount of time, they would still need the occasions to express it and to actually realize them themselves, which they didn't, especially Riki with Rin. He did with the other girls, especially Saya and Yuiko, but with Rin, he simply accepted out of nowhere. And yet, Rin didn't display anything much either. Quote:
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Or do you mean the bath they took in Kudo's room? Considering their level of intimacy then, it was normal... it is hard to compare that with asking for a date. Quote:
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As for the "know each other beyond friendship"? That's kind of wierd considering all the one month or even three day long run ups that you passed. Addition: Finally, Friendship and Romance are IMO not mutually separate concepts with a high barrier in between. It is more than a continuum in which Friendship eventually converts to being Romance. Quote:
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But with Riki and Rin, they weren't exactly that affected by these letters or so and they basically go out without much tension or build up. It might be a trigger, still there is absolutely no build up at all. If you ask me, this is far worse than "1 month only". Quote:
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First, it is realist in a sense that a romance in reality CAN bloom within mere 24 hours without being a blunt blind love at the first sight. So whatever 3 days or 1 month, it is still realist if the characters ARE showing build up, events that permit them to be close to each other, learn each other and being attracted to each other. By default, almost all girls in LB were attracted by Riki right from the bat, it was just a matter for Riki to be attracted in return, which happens by the time they are doing crazy stuff with the rest of the little busters. Again, the time is irrelevant, but what matters the most is the build up and the circumstances. And in Rin case, it failed because they don't even think about it. They simply jumped from "friendship" into "romance" without any transition and they are blooming the romance AFTER trying to be a couple. Maeda Jun completely reversed that. I still don't see how you can be in favor of a sudden and undeveloped romance starter, and rant about the others which took 1 week/1 month of pure build up. If you ask me, in your terms, Rin case is worse as the romance took not even 1 day to start off, and no, the 6 years don't apply considering they were not in the romance/development scope. Like I said, the latter romance wasn't a problem. It was all good with the normal route and refrain. But the STARTER was ugly rushed/brutal. Quote:
If you want a mere analogy, it is like them going from red and jumping at green, without passing through orange and yellow color. There is no transition, no build up, nothing. Being a osanajimi doesn't allow such thing until their relationship was ambiguous for years: like Kaede and Rin from Shuffle, for example. Quote:
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If we use your analogy with the other characters, they start off with white (nothing; they don't even know each other). They meet Riki and Red and (maybe) Green start filling up. It is clearly mostly Red that fills up seeing that in all cases except for Haruka (ref: Kanata's route), failure to pick them does not lead to any problems (and also, where you had not picked Rin, none of them made a move for Riki in the Epilogue), and even for Haruka it was small enough - Green is effectively buried. So, one would expect that further relationship will only mostly increase Red portion. Then all of a sudden, without stimuli, the Green portion seems to suddenly skyrocket and they rush through to Green in an implausibility short time. Quote:
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2008-09-11, 02:12 | Link #419 |
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TypeMania4 with Little Busters! EX Ver. + High Res Video
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BZXTEFF9 just download and run the .html file with your choice web browser |
2008-09-15, 09:18 | Link #420 |
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http://seiya-saiga.com/game/key/littlebustersEX.html
the walkthroughs for LBEX! and this one is good for the saya line,it supply the map for underground. http://osanagi.sakura.ne.jp/littlebu.../dungeon1.html |
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