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ACertainStark · 2013-09-06, 17:16

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lol. Ok. But it's Dniv...

Too positive!

dniv · 2013-09-06, 17:19

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Originally Posted by ACertainStark

Too positive!

Everyone has their own opinions about the show. She just made her's clear

ACertainStark · 2013-09-06, 17:21

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Originally Posted by dniv

Everyone has their own opinions about the show. She just made her's clear

Of course. It's unfortunate it picked up... 3 episodes before(?) its end though.

dniv · 2013-09-06, 17:25

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Originally Posted by ACertainStark

Of course. It's unfortunate it picked up... 3 episodes before(?) its end though.

In this case, with the limited amount of time there is, I will admit that may be true, but who knows they might surprise us. (like they usually do)

I want to say I watched Index season I first and then I watched railgun I ... at that point I was hooked onto raildex so people can criticize it, but those two shows which I first saw 6 months ago were what have made me in the past 6 months read/watch everything in the franchise that I could

so IMO it's good.

rladls716 · 2013-09-07, 00:20

So if there's a Railgun III season, then will anime original arc start again after main story arc?

dniv · 2013-09-07, 00:55

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Originally Posted by rladls716

So if there's a Railgun III season, then will anime original arc start again after main story arc?

Most likely, but speculation doesn't really fit in the episode discussion though if you just want to talk about general details: most likely.

Haak · 2013-09-07, 05:40

Better. Much better.

Not only has the quality of the storyline improved dramatically, but it's even gone some lengths into addressing my biggest gripes with the previous arc. I was just about ready to write this arc off last episode but my faith has been restored now.

Shadrala · 2013-09-07, 07:17

Spoiler for Spoiler:

Awesome ending- And sheeeeeee is baaaack!
Among the billion questions about this arc that are rolling around in my head begging to be answered, here is a major one I'm just going to put out there:
If Nunotaba really was the one to give Febli information/ knowledge about Mikoto, why was Febli so scared of her when she first met her? Is she secretly working against those scientists and rebelling, or was telling Febli about Mikoto part of their plan in the first place? I wonder, I wonder! Well, guess we might find out next episode... Urgh, a week of patience... DX

eavein18 · 2013-09-07, 08:20

This chapter... I give a 1 and a 10

10 for the epic-ness (even though no action scene happens)

1 for the 'forced' and eye-brow raising stuff
(like Misaka decided to tell everyone about the condition after hearing Kongou's speech. The Misaka I know won't do that, or at the very least, only Kuroko would know, but here she tells everyone *even Mii*)

My guess is that Nunotaba is blackmailed into helping STUDY.

But since she herself cannot search for help, she decide to secretly let Febri run while implanting the name "Misaka Mikoto' in hope that someway or another, Febri would find Mikoto.

When she did, Mikoto would find something 'wrong' and connected it with the SISTER and by proxy, Nutoba and STUDY, destroy STUDY and help/free Nutoba from the STUDY.

The end.

Sackett · 2013-09-07, 10:00

I liked this episode a lot. It elevated this arc above the "filler" category. It hooked in with previous arcs, and gave Mikoto important character development at what seems to be a natural point in her story.

So what if it complicates canon a bit. This is an adaptation, and one of the flaws in the original canon was the way certain character development didn't take place when it should naturally occur. This is an improvement in my mind. Sure it complicates some future stuff, but not as badly as some people are complaining.

I did knock it down to a 9 because the Kongou line felt a little forced, and because I think it would have been better character development for Mikoto to still try and shield her circle of younger friends from this. Maybe just involving Kongou or something. Slow but gradual character development would have been better I think (and ease the integration with future stories).

So it's not that I don't get the criticisms. Simply that I don't think it's this disaster that so many seem to see.

Also, I agree with the above that something like that is probably Nunotaba's plan.

Draco Spirit · 2013-09-07, 10:11

A nice episode, through there writing themselves into a bit of a corner concerning cannon latter.

7/10

leukrota · 2013-09-07, 11:25

I would have used a different argument to involve Mikoto's friends.

Simply recognizing that they would stay near Febri anyway, and that Febri was in the middle of the mess, it would be reasonable to fill them in to some extent so they wouldn't be caught unaware.

But then how else would they forcefully insert the "friendship" theme?

That aside... I guess it wasn't that bad...

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My guess is that Nunotaba is blackmailed into helping STUDY.

Dunno about blackmail, but some form of cohersion is likely.

GoddyofAus · 2013-09-07, 11:44

I have a theory that those nerds that are the antagonists of this arc work for Kongou's fathers company. That blink and you'll miss it moment when the camera zooms in on the concealed logo of her fathers corporation was a dead giveaway.

Kyouka · 2013-09-07, 13:09

mugino fan service next week yes gimmie now pls

MrTerrorist · 2013-09-07, 13:37

Episode 21 is truly a dark episode.

Febri is an artificial human but because of the way she was made, her body secretes poison which her lolipops she licks are actually neutralizing it.

Mikoto decides to ask her friends for help who agree despite warnings that they are facing the underworld of Academy City. STUDY tries to cover up anything related to them so Febri will die but Yomikawa gives Mikoto a capsule containing a strand of hair from the mech that attack her.

Heaven's Canceler reveals the hair is actually from Febri's older sister but with the lolipops she has, Febri has 72 hours to live. To save Febri and find the people who created her, Heaven's Canceler arranges Mikoto to meet the one perosn who has connection with the underworld, the Big Bad of the 1st season of Railgun, Therestina!

Primary Consult · 2013-09-07, 14:23

I don't quite understand why the poll results were all over the place for this episode. Based on that I went in thinking it would suck, and ended up watching one of the best anime-original Railgun episodes yet. I know there's a few people who complain when the series gets dark, but almost *every* Railgun arc is ultimately dark.

As for revealing things to her friends:
1. She only revealed *some* things.
2. She initially only revealed them to Kuroko. Who, as a judgement member probably recommended bringing in Konori and Uiharu. Saten is the closest to Febli and is the type to get herself into trouble when left out of the loop so she had to be included as well. The only questionable reveal was Kongou and the rest of the "B team" but even then, since they were the only ones to have seen someone directly involved in the project, it couldn't be helped.

It looks like they're setting up for "Tokiwadai espers versus technology" which sounds pretty awesome.

And that preview... more ITEM==WIN. I'm kindof hoping to see ITEM and the Railgun four cross paths as allies... but maybe that's a bit too much.

I did have one complaint... I thought at the end of Railgun 1 ep 24, Telestina's left arm was destroyed by the destruction of the weapon (see here). I didn't think the doc would be inclined to help out an evil bitch mastermind with some grade A prosthetics...

leukrota · 2013-09-07, 14:39

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Heaven's Canceler arranges Mikoto to meet the one perosn who has connection with the underworld, the Big Bad of the 1st season of Railgun, Therestina!

Now that I think about it, I wonder why he chose Therestina...

Spoiler for about Heaven Canceller:

@Primary Consult - She is still a Kihara, even while imprisioned she should be able to get whatever medical care she needs/wants. But besides that, Heaven Canceller will save anyone who comes to him as long as it's within his power (which is considerable). He takes his role as a doctor very seriously.

Haigon · 2013-09-07, 14:43

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Originally Posted by Primary Consult

2. She initially only revealed them to Kuroko.

That was already too much, considering future arcs.

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And that preview... more ITEM==WIN. I'm kindof hoping to see ITEM and the Railgun four cross paths as allies... but maybe that's a bit too much.

Oh god, no.

dniv · 2013-09-07, 15:40

I like this turn of events a lot actually. It brings good news for the future of railgun. Trusting her friends to tell them about the existence of dark organizations is a huge step forward. This is a huge development if you ask me. And anyway for all the people complaining about how this is a horrible development, stop complaining. This is pretty much the biggest event in all of Railgun S in terms of plot in this new arc, so I'm very excited about it. Kamachi knows what he's doing because he came up with the plot for this arc. This is great news IMO.

pkmntrainer7 · 2013-09-07, 17:21

While this episode may have been better than some of the recent episodes they are also contradicting canon and messing up some of the characters' personalities. I can't really see Heaven Canceller so easily helping kids get involved with dark side of Academy City, he should be trying to keep them out of it and not to mention Mikoto telling the others about it.

View Poll Results: To Aru Kagaku no Railgun S - Episode 21 Rating
Perfect 10	7	12.73%
9 out of 10 : Excellent	10	18.18%
8 out of 10 : Very Good	9	16.36%
7 out of 10 : Good	13	23.64%
6 out of 10 : Average	6	10.91%
5 out of 10 : Below Average	4	7.27%
4 out of 10 : Poor	4	7.27%
3 out of 10 : Bad	1	1.82%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad	0	0%
1 out of 10 : Painful	1	1.82%
Voters: 55. You may not vote on this poll

2013-09-07, 05:40	Link #27
Haak Me, An Intellectual Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK Age: 33	Better. Much better. Not only has the quality of the storyline improved dramatically, but it's even gone some lengths into addressing my biggest gripes with the previous arc. I was just about ready to write this arc off last episode but my faith has been restored now. __________________ MAL \| AnimeSuki Choice Awards 2020 Winners

2013-09-07, 07:17	Link #28
Shadrala Level 5 Railgun Stalker Join Date: Sep 2012	Spoiler for Spoiler: "Who are you again?" Oh Mikoto, that seriously made my day XD Awesome ending- And sheeeeeee is baaaack! Among the billion questions about this arc that are rolling around in my head begging to be answered, here is a major one I'm just going to put out there: If Nunotaba really was the one to give Febli information/ knowledge about Mikoto, why was Febli so scared of her when she first met her? Is she secretly working against those scientists and rebelling, or was telling Febli about Mikoto part of their plan in the first place? I wonder, I wonder! Well, guess we might find out next episode... Urgh, a week of patience... DX __________________

2013-09-07, 08:20	Link #29
eavein18 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Earth	This chapter... I give a 1 and a 10 10 for the epic-ness (even though no action scene happens) 1 for the 'forced' and eye-brow raising stuff (like Misaka decided to tell everyone about the condition after hearing Kongou's speech. The Misaka I know won't do that, or at the very least, only Kuroko would know, but here she tells everyone even Mii) My guess is that Nunotaba is blackmailed into helping STUDY. But since she herself cannot search for help, she decide to secretly let Febri run while implanting the name "Misaka Mikoto' in hope that someway or another, Febri would find Mikoto. When she did, Mikoto would find something 'wrong' and connected it with the SISTER and by proxy, Nutoba and STUDY, destroy STUDY and help/free Nutoba from the STUDY. The end. __________________

2013-09-07, 10:00	Link #30
Sackett Cross Game - I need more Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: I've moved around the American West. I've lived in Oregon, Washington, Utah, and Oklahoma Age: 44	I liked this episode a lot. It elevated this arc above the "filler" category. It hooked in with previous arcs, and gave Mikoto important character development at what seems to be a natural point in her story. So what if it complicates canon a bit. This is an adaptation, and one of the flaws in the original canon was the way certain character development didn't take place when it should naturally occur. This is an improvement in my mind. Sure it complicates some future stuff, but not as badly as some people are complaining. I did knock it down to a 9 because the Kongou line felt a little forced, and because I think it would have been better character development for Mikoto to still try and shield her circle of younger friends from this. Maybe just involving Kongou or something. Slow but gradual character development would have been better I think (and ease the integration with future stories). So it's not that I don't get the criticisms. Simply that I don't think it's this disaster that so many seem to see. Also, I agree with the above that something like that is probably Nunotaba's plan. __________________ Cross Game - A Story of Love, Life, Death - and Baseball. What more could you want? Last edited by Sackett; 2013-09-07 at 21:44. Reason: Corrected a typo

2013-09-07, 00:20	Link #25
rladls716 Senior Member Join Date: May 2011	So if there's a Railgun III season, then will anime original arc start again after main story arc?

2013-09-07, 10:11	Link #31
Draco Spirit Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013	A nice episode, through there writing themselves into a bit of a corner concerning cannon latter. 7/10

2013-09-07, 11:44	Link #33
GoddyofAus Level 5 Pyrokineticist Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Australia	I have a theory that those nerds that are the antagonists of this arc work for Kongou's fathers company. That blink and you'll miss it moment when the camera zooms in on the concealed logo of her fathers corporation was a dead giveaway.

2013-09-07, 13:09	Link #34
Kyouka Is Here Join Date: Oct 2010 Age: 33	mugino fan service next week yes gimmie now pls

2013-09-07, 13:37	Link #35
MrTerrorist Takao Tsundere Cruiser Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Classified	Episode 21 is truly a dark episode. Febri is an artificial human but because of the way she was made, her body secretes poison which her lolipops she licks are actually neutralizing it. Mikoto decides to ask her friends for help who agree despite warnings that they are facing the underworld of Academy City. STUDY tries to cover up anything related to them so Febri will die but Yomikawa gives Mikoto a capsule containing a strand of hair from the mech that attack her. Heaven's Canceler reveals the hair is actually from Febri's older sister but with the lolipops she has, Febri has 72 hours to live. To save Febri and find the people who created her, Heaven's Canceler arranges Mikoto to meet the one perosn who has connection with the underworld, the Big Bad of the 1st season of Railgun, Therestina! __________________

2013-09-07, 14:23	Link #36
Primary Consult Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 39	I don't quite understand why the poll results were all over the place for this episode. Based on that I went in thinking it would suck, and ended up watching one of the best anime-original Railgun episodes yet. I know there's a few people who complain when the series gets dark, but almost every Railgun arc is ultimately dark. As for revealing things to her friends: 1. She only revealed some things. 2. She initially only revealed them to Kuroko. Who, as a judgement member probably recommended bringing in Konori and Uiharu. Saten is the closest to Febli and is the type to get herself into trouble when left out of the loop so she had to be included as well. The only questionable reveal was Kongou and the rest of the "B team" but even then, since they were the only ones to have seen someone directly involved in the project, it couldn't be helped. It looks like they're setting up for "Tokiwadai espers versus technology" which sounds pretty awesome. And that preview... more ITEM==WIN. I'm kindof hoping to see ITEM and the Railgun four cross paths as allies... but maybe that's a bit too much. I did have one complaint... I thought at the end of Railgun 1 ep 24, Telestina's left arm was destroyed by the destruction of the weapon (see here). I didn't think the doc would be inclined to help out an evil bitch mastermind with some grade A prosthetics...

2013-09-07, 15:40	Link #39
dniv I’m sorry, Kamijou-san!! Join Date: May 2013 Location: California	I like this turn of events a lot actually. It brings good news for the future of railgun. Trusting her friends to tell them about the existence of dark organizations is a huge step forward. This is a huge development if you ask me. And anyway for all the people complaining about how this is a horrible development, stop complaining. This is pretty much the biggest event in all of Railgun S in terms of plot in this new arc, so I'm very excited about it. Kamachi knows what he's doing because he came up with the plot for this arc. This is great news IMO.

2013-09-07, 17:21	Link #40
pkmntrainer7 Hidden Behind the Truth Join Date: Oct 2009	While this episode may have been better than some of the recent episodes they are also contradicting canon and messing up some of the characters' personalities. I can't really see Heaven Canceller so easily helping kids get involved with dark side of Academy City, he should be trying to keep them out of it and not to mention Mikoto telling the others about it.