(L+CR) Kobayashi-san Chi no Maid Dragon

[ramlaen]

Kudos to Kyoani for making such a faithful adaption, I really didn't think they would.

[Schpittfeuer]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Yeah, they totally changed things up. I mean it's not like previous episodes didn't have things like Tohru getting stripped in a bar with Takiya in there as well. Certainly nothing like Tohru openly wanting to (occasionally actually managing to) clean Kobayashi's undergarments with her saliva...Or that Saikawa hasn't been over the moon about Kanna for the past 3 episodes. So yeah very sudden...

I'm not sure where this is suddenly coming from. There has been elements of sexuality and attraction sprinkled throughout the show. Yeah if those elements bother you I can see why you'd be tempted to leave the show. But they've been there this whole time.

Not sure how characters having sex drives or emotional attachments are somehow stupid. Like with any episode different aspects of the characters took prominence. This one was more about attachments and connections between individuals. Fafnir's was more straight forward in that sense, but it was there throughout.

It hasn't been taken to the extreme before. Sure, Saikawa is obsessed with Kanna (but who isn't), but it was never level Yuri. Lucoa's second name is Fanservice, but right now she is sexually provoking 10 or so years old boy.. Tohru x Kobayashi moments were always funny, not oversexualized and not even aimed that much at fanservice, more than other moments.

So yeah, pedo relation, loli yuri...

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Schpittfeuer

It hasn't been taken to the extreme before. Sure, Saikawa is obsessed with Kanna (but who isn't), but it was never level Yuri. Lucoa's second name is Fanservice, but right now she is sexually provoking 10 or so years old boy.. Tohru x Kobayashi moments were always funny, not oversexualized and not even aimed that much at fanservice, more than other moments.

So yeah, pedo relation, loli yuri...

You have had plenty of warnings, from both the Ending animation and Saikawa's behaviour up to this point.

And what do you mean by "over"-sexualised?

What is your line here? So you are saying some sexualisation is allowed, but suddenly it isn't?

[skaianDestiny]

There's a lot of people who draw the line at sexualization of children.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by skaianDestiny

There's a lot of people who draw the line at sexualization of children.

As far as the dragons are concerned, all humans are children.

[Schpittfeuer]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

You have had plenty of warnings, from both the Ending animation and Saikawa's behaviour up to this point.

And what do you mean by "over"-sexualised?

What is your line here? So you are saying some sexualisation is allowed, but suddenly it isn't?

Kinda. Example- if Maid Dragon suddenly became like To Love Ru it would destroy the fun I have watching it

[Jaden]

Kyoani visuals always cause the same problem (especially K-On, Hyouka, and Hibike!)...every interaction has the characters looking so excessively cute, covered in a proverbial (and sometimes literal) shower of heart-shaped glitter, that everything takes on romantic undertones even when the directors have no such intention. It's a peculiar case of "over-animation"

[Liddo-kun]

Watched episode 6:

Amazed at everything I've watched. This anime is comedy but has some serious moments too.

Oh my... Kanna wants to have a relationship similar to what Kobayashi and Tohru have. Saikawa you have a dragon friend now.

Hmm, so Lucoa-san is a shotacon. She looks good in that chinese dress. XD

And lastly... didn't expect Fafnir to be having such a fine time at this human world. One thing I've noticed about these dragons.. they are quite nice guests. Kanna pretty much behaves well in Kobayashi's home. Fafnir is addicted to games.. but he still helps in the housework by washing dishes. At least now, he seems to recognize that there are good people too. Not everyone is a thief who wants to steal his gold. ------------ And speaking of gold... since Fafnir left his home.. who is guarding his treasures????

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Schpittfeuer

Kinda. Example- if Maid Dragon suddenly became like To Love Ru it would destroy the fun I have watching it

Then relax. That's not going to happen. Not even remotely.

[ices]

Wait, so fafnir scene are anime original? But it blend perfectly and really in character. Wow, didn't expect that.

[Schpittfeuer]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

Then relax. That's not going to happen. Not even remotely.

It was jus an example of how oversexualising things would spoil the nice balance of hilarity, moe and seriousness this anime has maintained with first 5 episodes.





Anyway, do you remember, in ep 5 there was a moment when Kobayashi wanted to say something to Tohru, she looked at her tail, raised her hand and started "Tohru..." and then hesitated..
What wanted she to say?

[Xical]

Maybe some of this come because the order kyoani chose to show the manga chapters in the anime, they are rearranging way to much, Kanna and Saikawa is ch.29, Lucoa and family is 27, next episode comiket is ch.17 and beach is ch16, (btw Fafnir and Takaya is anime original, but a really good one that can integrate with the manga canon w/o any problem), so there are many chaps. skipped that help to put in context and understand the jokes in Kanna and Lucoa segments of episode 06.
Now I'm wondering when kyoani will show chaps. 19 and 20, they are fundamental to understand the relation between Touru and Kobayashi, maybe in episode 12?

[Newprimus]

Originally Posted by skaianDestiny

There's a lot of people who draw the line at sexualization of children.

I'll say the same thing I said on another forum.

There's a line regarding sexualization of children, but it hasn't been crossed yet and calling Kanna and Saikawa's antics sexualization is defining certain naturally-occurring behavior as immoral.

Children hug, kiss, and even play doctor. They are naturally curious, and their sexuality isn't off the table. It's stretching to label this as completely fetishized. None of it is beyond the realm of what can naturally occur amongst children who are discovering their sexuality, and before adults step in to moderate their behaviors. And with the fact that Kanna is a dragon of unknown age, and of unknown dragon upbringing especially in regards to sex-ed, Kanna's aggressiveness in this episode can be chalked up as another inter-species difference.

Does the knowledge that children play show and tell with each other transform one into a pedophile? When a documentary shows naked children from a native tribe, is it sexualizing them?

This issue is reminiscent of the quandry of teen pregnancy. Some of the moral damning of the particular scene is very similar to responding to teen pregnancies by immoralizing sex and preaching abstinence instead of accepting that those urges exist and coming up with ways that deal with the consequences without creating a sexually repressed society. And what society is sexually repressed? Japan. And where does all the loli porn come from? You know where.

Does the scene push into borders of acceptability? Yes, but I don't think it fully crosses the line. There have been anime before that pushed the boundaries even further, and in some cases crossed them.

[SeijiSensei]

Oh, please.

Lucoa's advances on Shouta are clearly unwanted. He doesn't want to "play doctor" or even hug or kiss her. He tells her to leave him alone. She fails to do so and intrudes again, naked, into his bath. At best this constitutes sexual harassment of a young child. I'm sorry if I don't find that humorous.

Riko is even younger than Shouta and seems interested in Kanna as a friend despite the portrayal of Riko's crush. Though her feelings for Kanna make her less resistant than Shouta, Riko is not ready for a sexual encounter either. As I said before, there are many ways to depict their relationship without adding crotch-shots, intimate Twister encounters, lap-sitting, or pushing young Riko to the floor.

Neither of these scenes has anything in common with depicting naked children in the wild.

[Gan_HOPE326]

I don't think the issue is with portrayal of sexuality in itself, even in children. But the scene was designed for the context of the show, which is a comedy with slight ecchi and yuri overtones, and therefore it's meant to entertain and yes, titillate a bit the viewers. Which can perfectly be fine with me while it's Tohru pining on Kobayashi. But let's face it, just like Tohru and Kobayashi aren't supposed to be a realistic representation of adult lesbian sexuality, so aren't Kanna and Saikawa for childish one. I'm not saying children can't have sexual feelings of a sort, but that wasn't some exploration of that, it was just a standard fanservice scene with the protagonists being downsized by 6-8 years compared to the usual ones. I'm not outraged or anything, but I do think it was a waste of time and an eyesore. It added nothing, its only purpose was to be eye candy and my eyes weren't candied at all.

[jdennis007]

To me Saikawa's fascination with Kanna is more of a child with their favorite toy than anything else. Kanna is Saikawa's only real friend so of course she is going to be a bit obsessive of her that's only natural, calling it more than that is pushing it I think.

[Anh_Minh]

I wonder how much (if any) of Kanna's behavior was seduction, and how much innocent. The "crotch shot", for example. I think it was just her testing the bed's bounce and not really caring about modesty. She's always naked anyway (they're not cloth, they're her scales), dragons don't care.

She also said she wanted to be more like Tohru and Kobayashi. So any aggressiveness on her part can be explained as just her imitating Tohru.

Originally Posted by Schpittfeuer

Anyway, do you remember, in ep 5 there was a moment when Kobayashi wanted to say something to Tohru, she looked at her tail, raised her hand and started "Tohru..." and then hesitated..
What wanted she to say?

I think she was tempted to relent on her "not eating Tohru's tail" rule, because she felt sorry for Tohru having no non-destructive talent.

[ramlaen]

Originally Posted by SeijiSensei

Lucoa's advances on Shouta are clearly unwanted. He doesn't want to "play doctor" or even hug or kiss her. He tells her to leave him alone. She fails to do so and intrudes again, naked, into his bath. At best this constitutes sexual harassment of a young child. I'm sorry if I don't find that humorous.

Which parts do you consider sexual in nature, let alone Lucoa acting for her own gratification, besides when she offers her body as payment to stay in the house (and is turned down)?

Originally Posted by Schpittfeuer

Anyway, do you remember, in ep 5 there was a moment when Kobayashi wanted to say something to Tohru, she looked at her tail, raised her hand and started "Tohru..." and then hesitated..
What wanted she to say?

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

I think she was tempted to relent on her "not eating Tohru's tail" rule, because she felt sorry for Tohru having no non-destructive talent.

This part confused me as well.

The best explanation I saw was "Kobayashi pretty much said "there are things only you can do" i.e. there are fundamental differences between dragons & humans. Tohru doesn't take the reminder too well and Kobayashi knew this (based on her reaction + she noted how hard she pushes herself to do everything a human could/would do earlier in the episode), so when she called out her name after hesitation, it was probably to comfort/reassure her that although there are fundamental differences between her and humans, she could still find enjoyment & belonging amongst them. She ended up not saying anything because she saw that Tohru realized & cheered up by herself."

[skaianDestiny]

According to http://tl-notes.tumblr.com/post/1573...pisode-6-notes (roughly halfway down), it appears what Kanna is saying after the visit to Saikawa is "nameaiko" (舐め合いこ), AKA the licking thing she does with Tohru mentioned in the third episode.

[Router25]

just trying something..

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