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Perfect 10 | 40 | 33.06% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 40 | 33.06% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 29 | 23.97% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 8 | 6.61% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 1.65% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 0.83% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.83% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2011-02-03, 20:12 | Link #61 |
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Another great episode.
For Sayaka, I think her flags are everywhere. She will suffer either emotionally (Kamijo "dump" her, more on that later), or externally (got owned as a MG), and mostly likely both. Probably not next episode but I will be surprised if she remains happy as both a girl and a MG for the rest of the series. About the relationship between Sayaka and Kamijo, they are definitely not BF/GF as it is never stated/ hinted in the series. Their relationship is more similar to the one between Saionji and Wakaba in Utena: Saionji is the mighty student council member and captain of the kendo team. Wakaba is a plain girl admired him but Saionji pays no attention to her. When Saionji "falls" (got expelled from the student council), Wakaba is the one who take him in and Saionji returns the affection in a way. But when Saionji got readmitted in the student council, Saionji becomes out of reach again. I predict that Kamijo will become distance from Sayaka, even by no faults of his own. Like he is busy practicing violin or having interview or planning performance etc. Afterall, only a patient will be on a bed 24/7 and Sayaka can see him whenever she wants to only when he remains a patient. About Kyubei, it is interesting to see how he can control the MG and what are the boundaries. I think Kyubei should have a trick up on his sleeve if a MG decided to grab the wish to forget the duty of a MG. However, he seems indifferent when Kyoko decide to attack Sayaka. It will be interesting to see if Kyubei is truly powerless to stop Kyoko, or he chooses not to stop Kyoko (to give more opportunity for Madoka to become MG). What if a MG decide to kill normal people for fun? Will/Can Kyubei stop her? About Homura, she didn't want Sayaka to become MG is because Sayaka will lead Madoka become MG. Homura's main and only goal is to stop Madoka become MG. She only realizes after the fact that Sayaka will become a catalyst for Madoka to become a MG (like what happen at the end of the episode)
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2011-02-03, 20:17 | Link #62 |
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I actually wonder if the unexpected rogue element that Kyube was talking about referred to Madoka, rather than Homura. We’ve had hints before that Kyube views Madoka as somehow different/better than all the other girls, and he refers to how he doesn’t have a contract with the person he was speaking about, that comment definitely applies to Madoka, while we don’t know if it applies or not to Homura (nothing in the show so far definitively points one way or another).
One part that was awesome storyboarding was when Homura was talking about Mami’s fate, and right then she pulled the lid off her cup. I shuddered when she did that, and from the look on Madoka’s face, she also got the implication . About the fight between Kyoko and Sayaka…I feel like this entire episode was manipulated by Kyube to persuade Madoka into forming a contract, just like how in previous episodes he kept emphasizing the “I can grant any wish even for someone else” to Sayaka. I’m really not liking that little ferret thing …
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2011-02-03, 20:20 | Link #63 | |
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2011-02-03, 20:38 | Link #64 |
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As expected Sayaka is dragging Madoka into the rubbish life of a mahou shoujo. Here's hoping Sayaka crashes and burns before Madoka can even think about becoming one.
Homura is getting clear. She knows Madoka would turn into a mahou shojo to help her friends which is why she is keeping such a distance from her. She's also caught onto kyubei's plan to use Sayaka as the catalyst to make Madoka into a mahou shojo. |
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But of course, Kyube can't win no matter what he does. Ranma: "Hey, Kuno!" Kuno: "Your attempt to greet me is all an act to get inside my guard. I shall not fall for it!" Ranma: "Seriously, Kuno, I'm just saying hello." Kuno: "Don't mock me, Saotome! One day I shall expose thy vile sorcerous ways!" Akane: "Come on, Ranma, ignore him. We're going to be late for class." Quote:
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2011-02-03, 20:42 | Link #66 |
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Time travel/alternate universe sure got a boost with Kyuube unsure if he contracted Homura. The insinuation being he contracts all magical girls, but can't remember ever contracting her. Yet. ;p We know Homura can hear him though, from the episode where Mami was killed. So it's almost certain he did contract her I think.
Kyuube is quite the master manipulator. Very clever attempt to get Madoka to contract. I'm amazed anyone can believe he's anything but evil. Kyoko. I like her. She's a realist, like Homura in a way. She's just chosen a more...brazen approach to it all. She brought up an excellent point by the way. If you go around killing the familiars, there will be no witches. No witches, no grief seeds. We don't know what happens when a magical girl's soul gem goes out, but I suspect it isn't anything good. Kyoko also appeared genuinely amused at the reason for Sayaka becoming a MG. Makes me curious how she became one herself. I mean we've seen Kyuube play on these two girls' fears/insecurities/sense of justice. Mami probably had no idea what she was getting into. How did Kyuube convince Kyoko to do so? Anyways, Homura is getting real interesting now as the time travel/alternate universe theory gains steam. I have no idea what to expect in the next episode. I suppose it's possible Homura ends up killing Kyoko (though I get the feeling she has no urge to kill any magical girls). Doing so might help to unglamorize the profession even further in Madoka's eyes though, which could be all the reason needed I suppose. Btw, there were so many death flags for Sayako, that I almost thought she wasn't going to last a full episode as a magical girl. Last edited by creb; 2011-02-03 at 20:59. |
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I remember you said you liked facts. FACT is that he called over Kyoko in ep4. FACT is that he's been with her two times where she indicated that she intends to kill another MG without trying to dissuade her from doing so. FACT is that he didn't even bother to tell Sayaka that she's in danger. Quote:
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2011-02-03, 21:14 | Link #71 | |
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Sure about that? He did say "I didn't expect you to show up" , maybe he just sent a general message like "to all MGs Mami is dead,her territory is up for grabs" and Kyoko's the first one who showed up (despite apparently having been far away previously) Quote:
edit:scratch that,if he were neutral he'd inform both girls that's there's another girl in town,he told Kyoko about Sayaka,but never told Sayaka Kyoko was in town
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2011-02-03, 21:17 | Link #72 | |||||
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But hey, if I wanted to be like you... FACT: he hasn't stopped Kyoko because he's using her to make Sayaka stronger! Sorry, stuff like that ain't facts; they're assumptions. Opinions. Guesses. But you're convinced you're right, and there couldn't possibly any other explanation, right? Quote:
Damn that evil Kyube, creating Magical Girls to fight witches in order to save people! DAMN HIM TO HELL! He should know what's good for him and go away and stop making magical girls so that witches can have free run on humans! Listen, dude, having an opinion is fine. But part of having an open mind is acknowledging that you could be wrong, and that maybe, just possibly you should withhold some judgment until he actually does something evil. The term is a loaded one, and I prefer to save it for those that are truly bad. But if you toss it around willy-nilly, then it loses its importance. Quote:
Yeah, some of what you have there is facts, but it's also called "cherry picking intelligence to suit your cause." Last I checked, people frowned on that. Quote:
You, however, have decided that Kyube is evil and Homura is good, and nothing will dissuade you from that. Kuno is convinced Ranma is evil and has used dark magics to enchant Akane Tendo and the pig-tailed girl, and no matter what action Ranma takes, Kuno won't believe otherwise. That's not a good stance to take, dude. Other people tend to just shake their heads and sigh. I'll make this prediction: no matter what happens in this series, you'll forever think of Kyube as evil. I won't try to change your mind, and you're entitled to your own opinion; you're just not entitled to your own facts. |
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2011-02-03, 21:23 | Link #73 | |
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2011-02-03, 21:38 | Link #74 | |
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2011-02-03, 21:44 | Link #75 | |
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If you have a credible explanation for all them, I'm interested in that. If not, believe in your furry bundle of good by all means. In the meantime, leave me to my delusion that this furry piece of (censored) does not have Madoka/Sayaka's best interest in his mind. Quote:
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2011-02-03, 21:46 | Link #77 |
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I wasn't the only one who noticed the time discrepancies, there was a mention of it on the puella-magi wiki to that effect. Another thing I noticed just from viewing, is that the symbols that are on her shield, I guess it is, is very similar to the magic circle or whatever that was around the enemy that homura was fighting in the dream sequence of the first episode, no idea what significance that holds, but just something I noticed. Either way, there are little hints being dropped here and there, and I am sure that rewatching this series once it is all done and over with will be fun, picking out all the bits of foreshadowing.
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2011-02-03, 21:57 | Link #78 |
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I don't understand why Mentar and Kaijo arguing about something that cannot be argued
As of ep 5, Kyubei looks more suspicious than Homura. However, the anime hasn't past the point of no return where it is impossible to change that. The writer/ director of the show can easily use the rest of the episodes to make Kyubei good if he chooses to be. Afterall, so far Kyubei has not committed a single "evil" act. (indifferent maybe, but so far Kyubei did not do anything bad)
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2011-02-03, 22:03 | Link #80 |
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Under the assumption that luring girls into becoming MGs is a good thing, then no, he hasn't done any active evil. Agreed. I'd have guessed though that remaining passive on the knowledge that someone intends to kill the MG you're currently living with might warrant a tad of concern though.
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