Valkyria Chronicles generic discussion

[Tak]

Originally Posted by TrueKnight

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Making and depending on one or two superhumans with ancient and supreme bloodline that manages to turn the tide of battle or even winning one is not what I called military oriented

Spoiler for Meh:

Except they appeared oh... like 3 times? While the rest of the missions forced the player to deal with flesh & steel. IMO, that is hardly a distraction from the game's overall military theme.

Originally Posted by TrueKnight

And seriously girls with skirts? The ww2 military stuffs are still there but it’s definitely more fantasy-like imho.

I did say military fantasy. Obviously this game is unreal. Had it tried to base itself on real-life counterparts, then we wouldn't even see women in combat!

That said, most women in military service during WWII wore skirts. Granted, they are not mini-skirts... but hey, I want my eyecandy.

- Tak

[TrueKnight]

Originally Posted by Tak

Spoiler for Meh:

Except they appeared oh... like 3 times? While the rest of the missions forced the player to deal with flesh & steel. IMO, that is hardly a distraction from the game's overall military theme.

Dude come on,

Spoiler:

The military theme is still there but while in the overall fantasy story the Valkyrias has a ridiculously amount of effect capable winning and turning the tide of battle. I really like Welkin along with his commanding and military skill strategies and tactics and he’s badass throughout the game but when they introduced the whole depending on ancient race in order to win a battle for me it’s became laughable and started to get hard on even taking the story seriously.

I agree about the eyecandy….

[kyosak]

Hmmm how come the OP and ED were cut out of Ayako's fansub of episode 2?

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by TrueKnight

Dude come on,

Spoiler:

The military theme is still there but while in the overall fantasy story the Valkyrias has a ridiculously amount of effect capable winning and turning the tide of battle. I really like Welkin along with his commanding and military skill strategies and tactics and he’s badass throughout the game but when they introduced the whole depending on ancient race in order to win a battle for me it’s became laughable and started to get hard on even taking the story seriously.

I agree about the eyecandy….

Correct me if I'm wrong but...

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How many battles did the Valkyrias' win for their side? In the end Servilla was defeated in a flesh and steel battle(Her last stand was as a human). She only really won.....actually she didn't. She caused heavy casualities but she never really did win a battle for the Imperials.

When Alicia woke up all she did was cancel out Servilla's power and in the end it was Welkin who had to fend off the Imperials who drew them into a pincer attack.

Alicia was about to blow up Maximillian's battleship but Welkin persuaded her not to and in the final battle it was flesh and steel that defeated him.

I mean wasn't that the whole point of the story? That it wasn't all about power and such? That's why Faldio committed suicide with Maximillian

I don't see the anime going any differently.

Not sure if it's the game that's causing me to look things differently but it's interesting how they set out Welkin's character. He's naive but he's not stupid and his reasoning is quite logical. It's probably this mindset that'll set him out as a capable commander.

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by lightbringer

I think that's been bugging a lot of people. Living out in a cabin doesn't cut it for an excuse; in a backwater like Bruhl, everyone pretty much should know everyone else.

Not really in my experience. If a person is enough of a recluse, then there'll be lots of people that will not know other people. I myself still have LOTS of people that don't know me in my neighborhood, and our house is smack dab in the middle of the neighborhood (yes I'm that much of a recluse) There's also the fact that as seen with Welkin meeting that woman on the road, the people that do know Isara and Welkin seem to have gone on ahead with the evacuation

[Bonta Kun]

@SoldierOfDarkness I do believe your spoiler doesn't belong in here

well 2nd ep is nicely done, really liking Welkin's carefree attitude is funny especailly when he comments on when Alica tells him to "beat them up"

[Tak]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

Not really in my experience. If a person is enough of a recluse, then there'll be lots of people that will not know other people.

Except Isara is not a recluse, and Bruhl is a town where people constantly bump into one another. Welkin's situation is understandable, because he came back years after college, but Isara had always been there. We can guess her daily routine would involve shopping at local markets, attending school and do all sorts of other stuff. Therefore, why she needs to constantly identify herself is beyond me. In the game, people knew who she was almost right away.

Originally Posted by LoweGear

There's also the fact that as seen with Welkin meeting that woman on the road, the people that do know Isara and Welkin seem to have gone on ahead with the evacuation

What a terrible use of coincidence

- Tak

[TrueKnight]

Originally Posted by soldierofdarkness

Spoiler:

How many battles did the Valkyrias' win for their side? In the end Servilla was defeated in a flesh and steel battle(Her last stand was as a human). She only really won.....actually she didn't. She caused heavy casualities but she never really did win a battle for the Imperials.

When Alicia woke up all she did was cancel out Servilla's power and in the end it was Welkin who had to fend off the Imperials who drew them into a pincer attack.

Alicia was about to blow up Maximillian's battleship but Welkin persuaded her not to and in the final battle it was flesh and steel that defeated him.

I mean wasn't that the whole point of the story? That it wasn't all about power and such? That's why Faldio committed suicide with Maximillian

Spoiler:

- If Alicia hadn’t awaken then storyline wise the Imperials along with Selvaria would manage to won the Battle of Naggiar plains.
- If Alicia hadn’t use her Valkyria powers then the Marmotas would’ve run over Welkin’s platoon.

The whole glorifying legends are there and eminent.

[Willen]

Originally Posted by Tak

Except Isara is not a recluse, and Bruhl is a town where people constantly bump into one another. Welkin's situation is understandable, because he came back years after college, but Isara had always been there. We can guess her daily routine would involve shopping at local markets, attending school and do all sorts of other stuff. Therefore, why she needs to constantly identify herself is beyond me. In the game, people knew who she was almost right away.
- Tak

The game scenes do state that does (or did) go to school and took tank driving and engineering/repair courses. This was in addition to the mandatory military training. She was probably the only Darcsen in her classes, but I got the impression that Bruhl was small enough of a town that everyone at least knew a little about everyone else in town if they didn't know them personally. Heck, Isara is the adopted daughter of the town's most famous person! And one of a few, if not the only, Darcsen in town. I'm sure that's worth some notoriety points.

I guess they are really playing up the Darcsen thing before Rosie shows up to do it.

[alu546]

Guys, I dont mean to offend anyone, but this discussion belongs here: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=68272

[arkxkra]

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ep2 was not bad, the tank reflect a canon? that was crazy strong -___-', and able to 180 degree u-turn, nice skill. I alway lol at Welkin, his comment is the best.

I never play the game(no console) so can only watch the anime .

[Tak]

Originally Posted by arkxkra

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ep2 was not bad, the tank reflect a canon? that was crazy strong -___-', and able to 180 degree u-turn, nice skill. I alway lol at Welkin, his comment is the best.

Its not always the strength of the armor, but the slope of the armor that helped to deflect a direct hit. That, and the angle of the projectile played a role. Such incidents occur plenty of times in real life as well.

Regardless of the factors, it always make me smile when I see projectiles boing off the armor.

- Tak

[Manji Midou]

hmm, they keep changing so much things apparently lsara was a hermit darcsen in the anime...since people don't know her....

so after seeing so many changes l been wondering...

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how about they make juno welkins ex-girlfriend in the anime....they already have welkins friend falling in love with alicia...so why not add juno in the mix as the ex....to add more drama to the romantic part of the story?

[Copycatken]

Originally Posted by kyosak

Hmmm how come the OP and ED were cut out of Ayako's fansub of episode 2?

It's because Ayako uses "ordered chapters" for the show. You have to download the OP and ED that they released and put them in the same folder as episode 2 and they'll show up in the video.

[velvet nightmare]

soldiers behind sandbags getting wtfpwnt by other soldiers standing in the middle of the street

honestly. it has nothing to do with the equipment difference

and why did the other girl join the militia, wasn't she all scared of fighting?

[Burner of Anime]

Armour kills made in ep2 were done by dead center hits to the turret [hitting the magazine], body and treads. The Imp. tanks look to be rather blocky constructions with a slower rate of turn compared to the closet super tank. I hold that they were pretty lucky the slope of the turret and speed helped deflect that enemy shell. Would have been a very short show otherwise.

As for the Imp. army getting chased off. was under the impression that they were an advanced scout group sent to occupy an emptying city. Didn't seem to have more than the command car, lots of scout infantry and the 5 MBT for heavy support. Taking a city should have more than that. Probably weren't expecting heavy resistance from a nearly junk brick and the Flower of Death on speed.

Retreating I see would have been prudent. They were an under strength company in a foreign city, and taking 4 to 1 heavy armour losses due to surprise and and unknown enemy unit. This is a nightmare ambush scenario and something I'd avoid.

On another note, the emblem on the Edelweiss is exactly what it is- a flower .Quaint thing to have on the resident death machine.

[MakubeX2]

Originally Posted by Burner of Anime

On another note, the emblem on the Edelweiss is exactly what it is- a flower .Quaint thing to have on the resident death machine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edelweiss.

For those who do not know what the flora is.

Didn't watch the anime, but the flower plays a semi important role in the game. Did they show the scene of Welkin on a hill at the end of the tutorial chapters ?

[rpgman1]

Edelweiss as the Flower of Death. More like the Doombringer. Really did enjoy this episode. I have to agree with Welkin that retreat is a viable option when you're against the Empire. That Imperial tank shell just deflect of Edelweiss. Can't wait to see Squad 7 though.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by velvet nightmare

and why did the other girl join the militia, wasn't she all scared of fighting?

If I remember correctly, its to make daddy happy/uphold family name... etc.

- Tak

[Willen]

Originally Posted by velvet nightmare

soldiers behind sandbags getting wtfpwnt by other soldiers standing in the middle of the street

honestly. it has nothing to do with the equipment difference

and why did the other girl join the militia, wasn't she all scared of fighting?

I don't think it was because of family obligations, although Susie does mention that her father approved of her joining the militia. I can't remember if the game background info mentioned a reason for her enlisting. In the show she obviously joined the town watch, so I suspect that the same reasons for doing that prompted her to join the militia.

At least in most wars, there is a benefit to joining the military than getting drafted (which will eventually happen if the conflict gets dragged out). Or maybe she's doing it because her friend Alicia is enlisting?