2008-06-08, 17:39 | Link #1062 |
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So judging from the information we have so far, here's what I've come up with for the recreation of RF6:
First, note that this timeline goes with the assumption that Hayate joined the navy as an Enforcer and became captain of her own ship for a while like Chrono probably did prior to attaining the rank of Admiral. Hayate has a few connections in the admiralty and among the Main Branch which she uses to keep the force together for the most part, so this is rather important. The limiters and the balance of power is a concept which is almost entirely limited to the ground forces thanks to Regius's reforms. Because the ground forces are almost entirely made up of D through B-ranks, limiters don't usually come into play unless a bunch of heavy hitters from the Main Branch or the Enforcers set up shop in Ground Forces territory, and since RF6 is backed by the Saint Church and Admiral Chrono, neither of whom has anything to do with the Ground Forces, those limits are in full effect for the duration of RF6's stay on Mid-Childa. However, once RF6 has served its' purpose in the eyes of the Ground Forces, it is forced to disband. Here, Hayate exerts a bit of her influence and asks a personal favor of a former colleague of hers, Admiral Cyphus Kain, Hayate's mentor who taught her everything she knows about leadership and a commander's place on the battlefield (right up there on the front lines next to his troops). Cyphus gladly welcomes her and the personnel of RF6 into his fleet, and after a bit of effort shuffling things around and getting some papers signed here and there, Hayate winds up being reinstated as the captain of her old ship. RF6 now makes up the crew of the TSA battle carrier Beginner's Luck. There are a few stipulations to this, as the crew has a few new higher-ups they have to deal with in addition to Hayate and Cyphus, but all in all the team sticks together with the possible exception of the Forwards, who might decide to go on with their lives the way they did in the StrikerS epilogue. As we've already established/theorized, the navy places less stringent requirements on the balance of power in its' fleets, so Hayate has little trouble getting the crew to stick together, though Fate, as an Enforcer, will have to float around the fleet and do time serving on some of the other ships every now and then. Nanoha, Signum and Vita serve as commanders for the ship's sizable garrison of combat mages, while Shamal is the leading medical officer and Rein II is the ship's first mate. It's rough and undeveloped so far, but can I get some opinions before I get too caught up in this line of thought? *EDIT* Actually, scratch that line of thought. I just realized the Special Investigations Officers are probably already part of the navy since Leti's the one who decided to let Hayate and the Wolks stay together. All we need in this case is Hayate's association with Cyphus during the manga timeskip, and since we assume that SIOs spend a lot of time on warships like Chrono and Fate do, she can probably be reasonably be given a spot as the captain of a small cruiser after StrikerS, considering her experience as RF6's commanding officer. Nothing big, just something for a newly-minted captain to cut her teeth on before moving up to a frigate or a battleship once she gets some experience under her belt.
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2008-06-08, 20:23 | Link #1063 | |
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From a military point of view it's a bad idea and probably unpopular in some circles, but I'd be willing to bet it has great public support we have real world examples as well. For instance the banning of Napalm, expanding (hollowpoint) bullets in warfare, and attempts to ban land-mines and the dismantling of chemical weapons stockpiles. None of these programs are overly popular with the military, but almost no one is going to come out publicly in FAVOR of poison gas, land mines that end up killing 50 times as many civilians as combatants, bullets designed to cause the most grievous wounds possible, and sticky flaming gel that brutally and horribly maims anyone it dosen't burn to death becasue it would be political suicide. You'd also have no way to GET those weapons to start... there is no Tiberium here or entire sections of the world so polluted by toxic waste no one ventures into them to hide in. You can't hide a tank factory or small arms plant for instance and the TSAB undoubtably bans even research on such things and tracks any oddities that could indicate attempts to build them. Jail acutally had elements inside the TSAB covering for him (at least at first) and the "army" he managed to put together was still very meager. Nod worked in CnC becasue of the stetting and specific factors of that world the TSAB has none of those factors which would make them gaining any sort of serious power exceedingly unlikely. Could they become a terrorist group that's something of a nuisance? Sure. Could they acutally get so big they could have a go at toppling the TSAB? Not a fucking chance IMO.
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2008-06-08, 20:43 | Link #1064 | |
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Nope, no Tiberium and no Tiberium fields to hide stuff in.... but we do have dimension space. Precia hid out in the Garden of Time for a while with nobody realizing where she was, and I think that somebody around here said that 1) The GoT was fairly close to Earth, or at least close enough for Precia to attack the Arthra while it was "in orbit" around Earth. 2) Earth--and therefore the GoT--are on a major "dimensional highway" of sorts between Mid-Childa and deep space bureau headquarters (the space station in A's). If I'm remembering this wrong and it's not on that highway, then it's probably at least in the "core worlds" around Mid-Childa which make up the heart of the TSAB. I'm probably remembering one of those two wrong, but if I'm right about both of those, then suddenly there's all kinds of places you could hide a war factory or a Hand of Nod. I mean, if you can stick a mad scientist's hideout just off the dimensional equivalent of the Eisenhower Expressway and nobody notices, what else could you put there? And for that matter, what could you hide further away from the center of the system, where the bureau doesn't patrol so often?
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So you have lots and lots of disgruntled, poor and disillusioned people ripe for the picking, with lots and lots of places to hide. Even Jail managed to hide his labs under the very noses of TSAB without much stealth technology, much less the Brotherhood who have been battling TSAB for more than a century, accumulated and regularly smuggled weapons in from the outer realms, and know about every trick in the book about hiding. And the further the planet is from Midchilda, the less control TSAB has over it. Of course, them springing out across every Blue Zone planet once the Main HQ is destroyed like in the game is completely out of whack for the size ratio. But making small psychologically effective strikes very quickly, like it is with the HQ, and rapidly taking down Midchilda, if they are not stopped, things will quickly collapse. But that's if its his plan anyway. We all know Skane wanted suicide to do something else. And its got to do with the Tronium, which has also been seeded in the Yellow and Red zones, scattered by Precia's botched experiment. Quote:
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2008-06-08, 22:45 | Link #1068 |
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*kills Kha for being a baka*
Remember, Kha, I am you and you are me. Oh and the high ground makes you a VERY good target. *smirk* Keikaku doori... Right it's my day off i came back at 1 am in the morning, lazy to do a breaker, so I'll just reply as follows: @ Keroko & TK: Pretty much, my idea is that RF6 is bigger from the beginning. I honestly don't intend for it to be continued - as TK mentioned, massing the aces means that you're depriving the frontline elements of greater firepower - but what I plan is to link this to The Unsung War, in that O'Neil and his allies use TF6 as a sort of test run for a joint task force before they form TF 58 in Unsung War. (BTW, isn't that a ref to the Fast Carrier Task Force? Alternatively known as TF 38 or TF 58 depending on which fleet they were assigned to.) TF6 will still be officially disbanded post-StrikerS when everything finishes, since it would have completed its goals by then; O'Neil and his allies will then apply the lessons learned for their task forces. What does this mean? I ain't telling, but don't be surprised if a new organisation rises from the ashes, like a Phoenix, in charge of a certain sekuhara Lt. Colonel... I'm planning out things in a bit more depth because there are a few details I'd forgotten, such as the fact that the OFM's operations are going to be severely limited - I've effectively gutted them of half of their combat personnel, which means... and Erick will NOT alllow his Assault Platoon Commander to be away for a year. Hmmm. Okay, I've got some ideas about how to do that. Hmmmm.... right, I think I can work it. TK: Yeah I think Pixy in investigations would to better; TF6 needs more investigative people rather than shooters. Franz would help some but he's a bit rusty, having spent most of his time shooting the crap outta people... Will think more stuff and plan more.
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2008-06-08, 22:50 | Link #1069 | ||
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Goose killed himself again?
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...I hope. TBH Nod Yer Head was dead weird as I tried to finish it. 2PG however has been sitting at the back of my mind for a long time and that pic just sums it up.
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2008-06-08, 23:20 | Link #1070 |
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... <.< >.> *Drops a package and runs* Spoiler for From the Diary of Alexander Crestwood:
For the record, the first-person narrative style is going to come and go whenever the story needs a little expository dialogue instead of the usual third-person perspective. The diary entries will come and go, usually only as paragraphs inserted here and there in the story, as opposed to drawn-out chapters like this prologue was. I'd also like to note that this is the first piece of fiction I've written since junior high, so go easy on me, 'kay?
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2008-06-08, 23:42 | Link #1071 |
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Spoiler for Was about to say but reconsidered.:
EDIT: That was what I was about to say because I'm feeling paranoid. But maybe I'm just being too paranoid so I take it back, sorry for pointing fingers. But seriously. Please help me here? Because no matter how good I am at intervening conflicts, what good would it do if it keeps sprouting up again and again and again?! Sure, my interventions are all flashy and has impact, but what good do they do in the end?! I just end up being a praised 'Peacekeeper' that seems to be able to handle problems well while the truth is I only stall the conflicts that inevitably come back time and again. To put it simply, I accomplish almost nothing but a temporary ceasefire and some words of praise that makes me feel empty instead of the desired effect. What happens is just as if I was strutting around in a show of arrogance because of what I do, bragging about making interventions to conflicts while it's in the end just an overblown act of futility. What good is a ceasefire if I can never completely remove the problem in the first place?! It ends up being just a vicious cycle that's not much better than full-time flamefest! It's ultimately useless bringing down the hammer repeatedly if I can never get to the core of the problem! That's why I implore everyone now... help me out here too! I don't want there to be a need to intervene in fights again in the future. I don't want any more fights to rise up again. So, PLEASE. Everybody work with me, okay? Last edited by Aaron008R; 2008-06-09 at 00:24. |
2008-06-08, 23:50 | Link #1072 | |
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In fact, it's still entirely wild speculation that interdimensional space is nothing like our more familiar realspace. I just find it incredibly unlikely that interdimensional space follows all the rules we have in realspace, and if you change one physical attribute, plenty of other things follow suit. We already know that there's some sort of magic holding TSAB Main HQ together, since they at least have artificial gravity. Now, my gut reaction is that if realspace is more "substantial" than interdimensional space (nature abhors a vacuum, etc), then if the constraints and limits are suddenly removed for whatever reason, then realspace will expand rapidly to fill the gaps. This can range from "this area used to be one meter square, now it's five" to all sorts of weirdness happening, as realspace "boils" in the "vacuum" of interdimensional space. However, we don't know this. Realspace could instead collapse and contract; in our realspace, anything that shrinks in volume but retains its mass eventually turns into a black hole or analogue, since we've got our gravitational laws. In interdimensional space, those gravitational laws may not be present. I don't even know whether lightspeed is the same in interdimensional space; the background looks rather psychadelic, so an argument could be made that this is the result of the human brain trying to make sense of utterly different physical laws without going insane. |
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2008-06-08, 23:58 | Link #1073 |
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Can hardly blame you there Aaron. Best way to kill a man is to leave him alone after all.
As unsavory as the idea sounds, the ignore option is available for anyone who wants to use them. Rather than having the flames started at the slightest chance, it counts as a better option IMHO.
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The reason you could hide stuff like this in CnC was that Tiberium was not only a deadly hazard that kept the noisy neighbors out it was also your fuel and raw resources. There's nothing like that in Nanoha and the amount of resources you'd need to truck into such a factory would be impossible to hide. Cutting yourself off from the outside world and hiding out is one thing building a huge war factory and hiding that is quite another. Quote:
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Though had I kept him all the way to the end I could have drama like the defense of TF6, where Franz keeps calling frantically for Naomi on the radio... and there is no answer. Quote:
As for Kha, I'll just leave all the ribbing to IRC now.
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Sorry Aaron, I was past my limit 1 thread ago. Because there are some people who when ignored just walk all over you. I guess I'll harder this time.
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Now add decades and decades of Mid ascendancy and the Belkan culture is likely very weakened. Mid is secular and being the dominate power likely teaches this in both it’s culture and school systems this will within a few generations quickly reduce the number of “believers” rather drastically or at least those willing to actively engage in any sort of religious Jihad. It’s just a fact of life those that are exposed to a secular environment and well educated come out secular. Quote:
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So basiclly what do you have? NOTHING all throughout the series we even the Wolkies who are not only Belkan, but former criminals being treated rather well on the whole. In fact even trying to class Belkans as a race is suspect where are the morphological differences? At best they’re an ethnic group though even that seems shaky they speak the same language, live in the same countries, and appear to have almost totally assimilated into the culture at large. At this point IMO the differences between Mids and Belkans are similar to those between Irish, German, and English Americans which is say almost none as pretty much all white Americans are so interbreed there’s really no difference anymore and all of them adhere to basiclly the same dominate culture of the United States. Another example might be England where the Scottish are despite a few hold over elements pretty close in culture to anyone else on the inland nowadays. Don’t anyone come in here and lecture me on 50 asininely small points of difference I’m speaking generally here. Quote:
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Nanoha isn't CnC the situations are completely different WAY too different for something like Nod to work, and you're not going to be able to MAKE it CnC either. This is merely another example IMO of you simply not thinking things through AT ALL. If you wanted something inspired by Nod okay that's cool there clearly some potential to adapt them, but it's not going to be the Nod we know because Nanoha isn't CnC. But no that would be WAY to hard so instead we'll just Copy and Paste Nod wholesale into Nanoha, totally rip off CnC 3s plot, and daftly ignore all the problems that make the entire thing utterly unworkable in the new setting. Honestly stuff like this is what makes me want to hit you, you're not putting forth ANY effort to adapt it to the setting you're just trying to copy and paste a radically different universe over wholesale. Keroko at least adapted her Cyborg to the verse and was vauge about his overall motives with concerns to Nod. You meanwhile are just grabbing fist fulls of CnC Canon and trying to duct-tape them onto Nanoha and hoping the entire mess sorta kinda holds together.
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2008-06-09, 01:11 | Link #1078 |
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*hides before Keroko*
Hidoi.... T_T And Midchilda did glow. The Cradle was assaulted by a 12 way cannon blast. That is a lot of energy. But the rest of the points does remind me of things... Needs more thinking, especially on the size and scale of an assault if it happens. But some points have been considered, but because they are crucial plotpoints, I cannot elaborate on them just yet.
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2008-06-09, 06:59 | Link #1079 | |
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