2010-06-29, 17:44 | Link #12121 | |
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Sure. Let us say "resurrection" then. :P
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2010-06-29, 17:51 | Link #12122 | |
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EDIT: Oh, and what George is counting on his fingers is actually zeroes. A quadrillion contains 15 of those, which doesn't fit on both hands.
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2010-06-29, 17:54 | Link #12123 | |
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In the variant where Kinzo wanted both children for some as of yet unknown reason, none of my blue here is possible and the Other Battler may still be alive.
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2010-06-29, 18:08 | Link #12125 | |
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Basically, if Kinzo only wanted Asumu's child because it was his, the only reason to have the other child serve as a maid is because he knows of the baby swap, that is, if Kinzo found out about it within six years and took the child in. But if he knew, he'd probably kill Rudolf himself, which is actually one other way for Rudolf to think he might get killed today -- if he believes that Kinzo is alive and someone is going to tell him of the baby swap. So Kinzo doesn't know. That sort of leaves a window for Kanon to be Kinzo+Asumu's son though. Rudolf finding out about Kanon actually being the child he presumed to be dead would really give him an idea that Kinzo found out and surely is going to kill him for it. But then it would have to be the first time Rudolf heard about Kanon, and Kanon is said to have been working for three years. That would also require Kyrie to leave the child immediately on birth, which, if she thought it was Rudolf's child, is simply nonsense. So if the Other Battler is Kinzo's fifth child, he has no room to exist on the board. EDIT: Asumu remains the single biggest hole in the whole construct, because even if we assume she just carried Kinzo's own child but otherwise formed no close relationship to him, we still need to explain how could they possibly come in contact anyway to actually get Asumu pregnant. Could it be that Rudolf actually helped his father meet women by picking them up and introducing? That feels silly.
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2010-06-29, 18:28 | Link #12127 | |
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EDIT: Mind you, that gives a perfect motive to someone wanting to kill all the Ushiromiyas just to make sure this whole mess is very, very over. EDIT EDIT: And actually, this construct also gives Rudolf a very good reason to get on his knees and beg Battler to come home, and do this specifically right now. Kinzo is expected to die any moment now, and Rudolf thinks that Kinzo thinks that Battler is Kinzo's fifth son and the designated real heir -- he doesn't know that Kinzo gave up on him yet, and thinks that Kinzo may reconsider if Battler comes back. If that real heir is not within the family when Kinzo dies, there's no telling whom Kinzo might give everything to - if anyone at all. Rudolf just knows very well that he's not getting anything, and neither are Krauss, Eva or Rosa. In Rudolf's current situation this would be really, really bad.
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2010-06-29, 18:36 | Link #12129 |
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Lol, all this talk of Battler 2 being Kinzo's 5th son does all sorts of funny if Kinzo were still alive. Imagine:
Kinzo: Battler, I AM YOUR FATHER!! All my plans for inheritance have come to fruition! Battler: Sorry to break it to you grandfather but...Ange is my sister therefore I cannot be your son! Kinzo:...USO DA!!!! *credit to the guy who's responsible akai shinjitsu wa usoda. that stuff is hilarious. edit: on a more serious note, maybe Kinzo did the same thing with Natsuhi and basically bought a trophy...concubine? It gets all sorts of weird when you think about Asumu's parents living with Battler and never telling him anything about that though. |
2010-06-29, 18:42 | Link #12132 |
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New utterly insane theory:
We have red confirmation of only one person who is a blood relative of Kinzo: I opened this game in order to fight Ushiromiya Kinzo's grandchild Ushiromiya Battler. Kinzo has only one heir, his grandchild, "Ushiromiya Battler." All of his children were also adopted, and by association, their children as well. Only "Ushiromiya Battler" actually descends from Kinzo. Therefore, only "Ushiromiya Battler" was ever intended to inherit the family. Kinzo's will (written or not) already considers the children disinherited, because they were never his children in the first place. Our Battler may or not be "Ushiromiya Battler." Ange is our Battler's sister, at least half. This does not preclude him being Kinzo's descendant where Ange is not, if the parent they do not share is the one that claims biological descent from Kinzo. Well, I wouldn't put i- wait, Oliver, put the gun down! EDIT: I suppose "Ushiromiya Battler" could also be female really. EDIT EDIT: Rudolf knew this and swapped Kyrie's son - whom he truly loved - for Asumu's, to ensure that Kinzo believed his son was Kinzo's biological son. Battler's subsequent abandonment of the family drove Kinzo to do the epitaph [bombing] instead. Asumu's son may have itself been a coverup for Kinzo's child, which may or may not have been given to Natsuhi first and survived, or may not have existed at all!
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2010-06-29, 18:46 | Link #12135 |
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Additionally, if there is a legitimate parent to give birth to this grandchild...why aren't they a legitimate heir?
edit: wait...that would imply that Asumu was Kinzo's lone legitimate child and since she's dead...gah, stop trying to confuse me Renall! |
2010-06-29, 18:47 | Link #12137 | |
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We don't know much about Asumu's age, but it would match. EDIT: It actually does match if Asumu is born in 1949, which fits the timeline rather nicely.
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2010-06-29, 18:52 | Link #12138 | |
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2010-06-29, 18:52 | Link #12139 |
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Additional support for this:
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2010-06-29, 18:59 | Link #12140 |
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Actually, do we have it that This Battler is Kinzo's grandchild in red? Sure, Beatrice may say that she have started the game to fight .... wait.
What if Beatrice refers to a different game? Not the one about solving murders... about committing murders?
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