Macross Frontier - Episode 25 Discussion / Poll [END]

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by mechabao

"Repeat a lie enough times and it becomes the truth."

Oh, so true.

I can´t believe that there are actually people dense enough to really believe that Alto did salute Ranka. HE WAS FACING WITH HIS BACK TOWARDS HER!

I could just as well claim that he was showing her the ass of his VF-25 in disdain, it would make just as much sense.

[Teletha]

Originally Posted by Rafakun

I DO think that he saluted both, Sheryl saying "mission accomplished" and Ranka saying "Gonna go kick some Bird Human/Gracie ass". So yeah, I do think Alto has no idea who he loves the most, and as Ranka AND Sheryl said in the end, this is just the beginning.

The thing is, and my final word, that Ranka didn't care if he saluted her (if she saw it, very unlikely) so her fans should give it up too. You either have her not caring he did it, or him not saluting her. Which is better? Sheryl obviously saluted back and therefore the scene was focused on her and Alto. I don't care if you want to argue against it. It doesn't mean he loves her more. Again, I don't understand why some people can't see that both girls are important to the storyline and to Alto. Alto and Ranka had their moments in the episode too. Why don't people go cling to those instead?

[Urei]

Originally Posted by magnuskn

Oh, so true.

I can´t believe that there are actually people dense enough to really believe that Alto did salute Ranka. HE WAS FACING WITH HIS BACK TOWARDS HER!

I could just as well claim that he was showing her the ass of his VF-25 in disdain, it would make just as much sense.

I think an official statement from Kawamori on this topic won't change the fact that some people like to be ignorant.

[mechabao]

Originally Posted by magnuskn

Oh, so true.

I can´t believe that there are actually people dense enough to really believe that Alto did salute Ranka. HE WAS FACING WITH HIS BACK TOWARDS HER!

I could just as well claim that he was showing her the ass of his VF-25 in disdain, it would make just as much sense.

I actually wouldn't have made a big of a deal about it if they mentioned it once, maybe twice. But for god's sakes, tons of screenshots and clear directions have already been given repeatedly and they're still asking/saying the same fucking stupid thing and it's really pissing me off.

[raile]

I believe that Alto saluted Sheryl and Sheryl only.

But at this point no matter how much we argue, everyone will stick with their own guns. So it's pretty pointless going in circles when people refuse to be convinced despite all the evidence being pointed out to them.

In short... let people believe what they want to believe and end this debate.

[nanikore]

Originally Posted by BetoJR

Can't believe someone thought the fight choreography/CG in this episode was crappy. Goes to show you that opinions really are one-a-penny, eh? To each his/her own.

Can't believe someone didn't catch the shabbiness of the fight choreography and deterioration of the entire series. Goes to show you that opinions really are one-a-penny, eh? To each his/her own.

[nanikore]

Originally Posted by mechabao

I actually wouldn't have made a big of a deal about it if they mentioned it once, maybe twice. But for god's sakes, tons of screenshots and clear directions have already been given repeatedly and they're still asking/saying the same fucking stupid thing and it's really pissing me off.

Why does it matter.

Never mind. I don't care why it matters, either. There's already too much time and energy invested, and to deny its importance would bring even more angst and indigestion.

[golthin]

Originally Posted by raile

I believe that Alto saluted Sheryl and Sheryl only.

But at this point no matter how much we argue, everyone will stick with their own guns. So it's pretty pointless going in circles when people refuse to be convinced despite all the evidence being pointed out to them.

In short... let people believe what they want to believe and end this debate.

this is all caused because of poor uniformity. there is no way that both stages could be side by side as it seemed they were. Battle Quarter was ahead of Battle Frontier. I really don't care anymore if Alto Saluted both girls or just Sheryl, just because the animators didn't bother to pay attention to detail we get this big argument.

[Father Hentai]

Originally Posted by Rafakun

I DO think that he saluted both, Sheryl saying "mission accomplished" and Ranka saying "Gonna go kick some Bird Human/Gracie ass". So yeah, I do think Alto has no idea who he loves the most, and as Ranka AND Sheryl said in the end, this is just the beginning.

you are interpreting a lot into a salute. but i guess you haven' t been in the army so you partially understand the meaning.

in macross - dyrl hikaru did also greet both. even more he greets to the complete macross.he honors the civilians and also he reports/accomplish to the higher ranked officers and goes on to his mission. (in traditional military formalisations you do a salute if you make a report and if you finish the report and you are about to leave. a salute is only done to respect or honor someone if he is lower/civilian ranked and is to do to higher ranked officers and above).

in macross frontier same situation. honors both, greets the macross b and the macross quarter, as the operational hq's are incude all the relevant high ranked officers. i can interprete now that he is just reacting to COLONEL Wilders command that those who have Honor in their wings should fight against grace and battle galaxy. would make sense, doesn' t it?

now to come back to the three main characters. one thing did bother me and that was the proportionals between sheryl > alto in his VF 25 > bridge of the macross quarter.

the valkyrie is damn near to sheryl. also the size does not match to the vapor trail. either the graphics are wrong or it is monitored as tak said. it is very sure that he greeted both. won't argue against this

but still the lovers are shown. sheryl (hey, you can also hear her mind), then alto's mech > remember the scene in dyrl before hikaru went off to snipe golg bodolza.

btw. the discussion because ranka did not greet back is not a to interprete as a dishonor. think about if you are on stage and performing an act. depending how professional you are, then you are concentrated on your performing.

offtopic:
tak, if you need more beer, come to munich. atm you are missing the octoberfest!

magnuskn, do you know HaruVamp who left Germany this year and now live in the states? if so, maybe we may know each other. have a bad feeling about this.

[kujoe]

Huh... I take back what I said, and stand corrected. He doesn't salute to both. I think I understand why others are mistakenly regarding that scene as Alto saluting both.

It's because of those monitors of each singer focusing on each other. (Damn you Kawamori!) I guess I got caught up with the high of the moment. It still doesn't change what I thought of that homage of course, especially since it's still Sheryl who acknowledges Alto and his salute. Now, if only the movie would continue in this direction...

But anyway, now that's more cleared up for me, I guess I should leave it as that. I'm starting to be guilty of beating this dead horse.

[stray]

Alto was clearly saluting Bobby, both Sheryl and Ranka just misunderstood his intention. Look at how Quarter goes following right behind. It's clear as day!

[golthin]

Originally Posted by stray

Alto was clearly saluting Bobby, both Sheryl and Ranka just misunderstood his intention. Look at how Quarter goes following right behind. It's clear as day!

that was a pretty good joke

[Jazzrat]

One thing that bothers me is, Sheryl's infection. Did Grace infect her with it for her experiment or was it inherited from the family? Afterall, she's Mao Nome's grand daughter so there's some link between the Nomes, Birdman and Vajra.

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by Father Hentai

magnuskn, do you know HaruVamp who left Germany this year and now live in the states? if so, maybe we may know each other. have a bad feeling about this.

Ah, no, I don´t know him. ^^

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by Jazzrat

One thing that bothers me is, Sheryl's infection. Did Grace infect her with it for her experiment or was it inherited from the family? Afterall, she's Mao Nome's grand daughter so there's some link between the Nomes, Birdman and Vajra.

I´d say Grace infected her. After episode 24, it seems clear that Sheryl was not on the 117th ( which I had postulated before ), but had her family on Galaxy. I guess Grace disposed of them ( damned you, Grace! Why did you kill Sheryls hot mother! ^^ ), let Sheryl spend some time as a street urchin, then collected her and infected her with the V-Type disease.

Shows that Grace really had a hard-on for screwing with Mao. Vindictive women, and all that...

*edit: Ups, sorry for the double post.

[Urei]

Originally Posted by magnuskn

I´d say Grace infected her. After episode 24, it seems clear that Sheryl was not on the 117th ( which I had postulated before ), but had her family on Galaxy. I guess Grace disposed of them ( damned you, Grace! Why did you kill Sheryls hot mother! ^^ ), let Sheryl spend some time as a street urchin, then collected her and infected her with the V-Type disease.

Shows that Grace really had a hard-on for screwing with Mao. Vindictive women, and all that...

*edit: Ups, sorry for the double post.

This is the reason Grace is a no.1 villain in my ranking.

[BetoJR]

Originally Posted by nanikore

Can't believe someone didn't catch the shabbiness of the fight choreography and deterioration of the entire series. Goes to show you that opinions really are one-a-penny, eh? To each his/her own.

Now, that's a very mature and original reply. Can we move on to other topics, now?

[golthin]

Originally Posted by magnuskn

I´d say Grace infected her. After episode 24, it seems clear that Sheryl was not on the 117th ( which I had postulated before ), but had her family on Galaxy. I guess Grace disposed of them ( damned you, Grace! Why did you kill Sheryls hot mother! ^^ ), let Sheryl spend some time as a street urchin, then collected her and infected her with the V-Type disease.

Shows that Grace really had a hard-on for screwing with Mao. Vindictive women, and all that...

*edit: Ups, sorry for the double post.

that is one of the mysteries in the show. How did sheryl end a street urchin? Did grace kill her parents? If grace didn't kill them...How did they die?

[BetoJR]

Do we really need to know that? I'd prefer if we found out more about Bilrer's motivation or Megaroad 01, myself.

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by BetoJR

Do we really need to know that? I'd prefer if we found out more about Bilrer's motivation or Megaroad 01, myself.

Nah, actually it can easily be inferred from what the show showed us. It´s just idle speculation, anyway.