I'm afraid it's still a wee bit early for that? dunno ... in any case, as hard as it is I'd rather wait another two days to get played by another fake handshake
Personally i wouldn't mind if in an hypothetical anime Miria's death would be done in a macabre way,afterall say what you want but IT IS a macabre scene.
Said that i wouldn't mind even a noiseless scene with only a sad background music,but the scene doesn't has to be too censored imo,'cause it HAS TO BE at least a bit disturbing to convey the right feelings to the watchers.
I can only hope most of the sounds get toned way down as we experience an "Ave Maria" moment of loss. Otherwise it's just too macabre for me to stand watching. Its like watching someone you always had the highest hopes for utterly failing you at the most critical time. The point is we should not be concentrating upon the butchery that accompanied Miria's death.
We all know what happened. She got deceived by yoki manipulations, first getting cut a bit, then got a nasty slash, then got a sword through the gut, after which she made a big long speech while Rubel grimaced in pain (even Rubel couldn't watch), then held out her hand towards the twin she thought was Hilda. What followed was pure butchery as the claymores hacked her apart, limb from limb, her blood, guts, and limbs flying everywhere. Why anyone wants to hear the sound effects of that moment is beyond me. It makes my stomach queasy just thinking about it. I think as little TV time as possible on it would be appropriate.
It is otherwise too upsetting and horrific for mainstream TV, even in Japan. I hope they tone the horrific nature of her death down. Its just too upsetting for most otherwise, even if some people here find things like this and Elfen Lied entertaining. For my part they make me feel sick to my stomach. Why anyone would want to watch the most beautiful claymore of her generation get torn apart like some dude in Starship Troopers is beyond me. I'm sorry, but I don't get why so many are fascinated by Miria's butchered end. She did not deserve such a horrific end at Yagi's hands. A terrible ending for a great character who could've done so much more in my opinion.
I think it would either go with the horrible sounds or none at all to capture the moment.
I can understand the shock though, I felt it as well (hell I even like Shigurui and I never had that type of reaction). However, I would say it is still one of Claymore's strongest and most memorable moments, even more so than Teresa's death (just an opinion). The idea that someone as strong as Miria (with the shounen selfless-friend/leader trait) can still fail is good for the story. It created a sense of emotion that I never expected when I picked up the manga. Teresa did absolutely nothing for me, and so far (for me) Isley, Dauf, Claire and Miria's fate were far more touching to me than Teresa's. (Although T's death did reflect what happened to Claire).
Now that I think of it all the deaths recently have been especially painful to watch.
Beth had her head forced down her own throat and through the stomach
Claire cut in half (well not dead yet..)
Isley eaten alive
Riful eaten alive
Dauf losing every last shred of himself (even the part that loved Riful)
Rene possibly torn to pieces slowly
Raki is being infected slowly and is becoming an experiment
Miria...
Compared to Pieta arc, Elena, or Teresa where everyone died relatively quickly. There seems to be a lot of physical pain associated with these deaths. Yagi has been definitely cranking up the horror and depression in the last 20 chapters.
This popped up last night on Biadu... It's Japanese on a Chinese site and on a thread listed as ch 108. So maybe it's a spoiler...
Spoiler for Possible 108 spoiler... I couldn't make heads or tails of it... sorry. Needs someone to translate it or at least tell us if it is a spoiler or not.:
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Spoiler for Googles translation:
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108 Spoiler
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Spoiler for my speculation on it...:
From what I could pieced together the writer claims to have read it and claims the chapter involves the org but no mention of Miria's fate...
Nice one Ryus. Anyways once we get a 108 thread up and running, more stuff will come up I guess.
Even if the spoilers are fake at first, some of them keep us from going from waiting
Spoiler for 108 talk:
Do you reckon we would get a much needed conclusion to Miria's death? I sure hope we do. I read several 'Miria' written in the original text you posted as well.
I haven't understood a thing from that spoiler but i hope it's fake 'cause it says nothing about Claire,and i can't wait another month (AGAIN!!!) to see what happens between Prissy and CtD......
nah, not neccessarilly awaken ... the two might just have sensed her release against the twins shortly before she fell under #10's influnece ... however ...if it is true there is a slight chance of awakening ... minimal though I would guess
Hmm... This part: 死にそう supposedly means almost dead/about to die.
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Spoiler for 108:
Interesting part is the line just before the spoiler which google translates to: M sister place full of blood resurrection, many people think she hung up, you can go chew on a toilet It would mean Miria's alive.
This popped up last night on Biadu... It's Japanese on a Chinese site and on a thread listed as ch 108. So maybe it's a spoiler...
Spoiler for Possible 108 spoiler... I couldn't make heads or tails of it... sorry. Needs someone to translate it or at least tell us if it is a spoiler or not.:
But it is possible now don't you think so, it is possible that she managed to snap out of the trance due to pain or something else and released a good deal of that suppressed yoki instinctively to survive.
OK, let's try to find some kind of a consensus besides "agree to disagree" and analyse this fight once and for all.
1) In pictures 1 and 2 one twin is using awakened form, the other is fighting without releasing youki at all. Miria fails to incapacitate the one that's not releasing. Also in picture 1 we see she struggles against even one twin (awakened one). Then for some reason the awakened twin doesn't attack but the first one takes over and uses only 30% of youki +awakened parts but the other isn't in shrimp form and attacks Miria using 0-10% of youki so this attack is weaker than previous one since in previous one was completely awakened.
2) Notice by the way that in picture 4 we see almost exact copy of their fight with Raki, the only difference being while Miria escaped, Raki blocked them. For some reason no one doubts they were just testing him while in Miria's case (where she had to escape) you're assuming that she was pwning them. I can partially agree to it except it's far from pwnage since twins are clearly holding back too. For them to not hold back one twin would have to be in his released state all the time or at least both of them would have to fight using no less than 30% youki and awakened limbs. But we don't see anything like it. It might be that twins weren't trained enough to pull it off but that would only show they have much room to grow and that they weren't that strong. Still even as children they were many times better than Miria was even after becoming a full-fledged Claymore so if she would be as strong as #1 already, the twins should grow to being much stronger than that.
3) At this point Miria was really close to leaking youki since the fight exhausted her (pic 5). On the other hand we don't see that twins made a sweat. Funny thing is, they've weakened their attacks yet again (the first weakening was when they've stopped using their awakened forms) attacking Miria while not using youki at all (picture 6). I don't know how you would interpret it but to me it's clear they've noticed Miria was holding back so they also held back. They've also noticed that Miria is exhausted while they weren't so they slowed down. And only then Miria thought that it would be easy to cut their heads off. Coincidence? Doubtful. Somehow she couldn't do a thing to them earlier and again was drawing the fight out.
4) Now she manages to cut left arm of one twin either because Raftela interfered (so basically helped her and gave her an advantage) or because she lost concentration. Now that I think about it I think it was the latter since she could parry every swing made by the other twin which would be impossible with screwed perception. Anyway, notice that the twin wasn't using even 10% of youki then so she managed to cut a left hand of a rookie warrior that wasn't half-awakened so he had access to less youki than Miria in unreleased state (proportionately), wow, how awesome is that . But once the other released youki Miria was cornered (pictures 7 and 8) and could only be on the defensive. Which again clearly shows they were holding back on her. Miria however was basically fighting as if she had 30% youki released 7 years ago (otherwise she couldn't do her phantom, at least not until Pieta).So the difference is huge and shows that what Miria did was nothing.
5) It seems that twins' berserk attack was just enough to make her leak youki and a while later Raftela marched in and it was over. I have to note one thing though. At this point I don't really see much of a difference between Hysteria's technique and Miria's. As picture 9 shows Miria was also doing her move with 1 mm margin. Instead of escaping always that one step further just to be safe she escaped just enough only. So how come she couldn't be so precise when she would charge at someone? Unless of course the twin was just that fast and it wouldn't matter.
6) In picture 10 we see another proof of Miria being overconfident. How come she didn't do such move earlier? Because when fighting two of them she couldn't (which she admitted herself). I.e. with two of them she wouldn't be able to chop their heads off. Seriously though, at that time she was sure she would be able to put one of the twins to sleep but earlier it was impossible? How come? It's not like twins were back to back and defended one another from all sides. If Miria would be so much faster as she claimed she should have been able to do it but the fact she didn't shows us she was being too generous to herself.
7) Maybe I should have asked it at the start, but why she didn't release youki at this point is beyond me. If her fight with Hysteria is any indication she knew she can go faster but instead she risked being injured or killed and exhausted herself... At this point she had nothing to lose for all she knew. The same stupid mistake she made with Riguald, that's why I was sure that releasing youki wouldn't increase the speed of her phantom. But it turns out it's not true (probably, we need to see her fight with Hysteria first) and that Miria was an idiot not one time but two times (although with Riguald she was a complete retard as it turns out).
8) We know about twins at least two things. One - that they're not idiots. They were leading the way and helping other Claymores escape very efficiently as Kinematics has pointed out, even though clearly they've never done something like that before so they weren't using any manuals but had to think for themselves. And two - they're compassionate. The first thing tells us that since they did not know about Raftela (no Claymore knew) and yet they were not going all out they didn't consider Miria as much of a threat. The second thing tells us that because they're compassionate they didn't want to harm a Claymore that didn't harm Claymores.
Granted there were two of them so the fight wasn't fair but that's not what we're arguing about. You're claiming that what Miria thought (that she could easily chop their heads off) was true but the facts show something different. It's possible that it was Yagi's intent to show Miria's superiority but unfortunately because of the reasons I've mentioned, he failed (assuming he really did try to do it). When it comes to arguments you only have "Miria said it herself so it must be true" while you're disregarding the facts at the same time.
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this is the same situation as Teresa vs Priscilla just without a true awakening and mention of latent power. Which everyone agrees teresa was way stronger at that moment. (...)
Eh, no. It's completely different since in Teresa's case she had more than words. She had actually put Priscilla down several times and could have killed them or temporarily put them to sleep if she wanted to. Miria on the other hand managed only to cut a hand off, that was her whole achievement in this fight.
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Spoiler for OT, reply to double friedman, goral, ryus, concerning miria in 107:
ah ryus actually he was refering to a specific shot I posted, and in that you can see one panel top right were #10 is indeed still powered down he is totally right about that- the point in question though if that specific panel, in fact the whole showing of #10 is "taken out of time" for dramatic reason by yagi - that is my line of argument which I will elaborate more once I have the time at 107:
yes, by simple and obvious order of panels, FIRST mira got cut, and MISSED, THEN AFTER THAT #10 powered up - HOWEVER... if you consider the way she fought the twins in 106, and assume that (despite misjudging by going to the org in the first place) she has not totally lost it - then the fight makes much more sense under the assumption that the timing by yagi is off here: imagine the scene showing #10 as a tiny, in chapter flashback - we see miria fighting, holding out against them, yes as rubel indicates it taxes her, but only cause she is bent on sparing them - then, SUDDENLY she missed and gets hit, she is suprised, us readers are suprised...wtf is going on?! THIS HEIGHTENS THE TENSION (yagi rly overhyped the emo on the scene -.-) and then after that he belatedly hands us the explanation for what is happening. I cant express it better than this on the fly. I feel it helps if you imagine it like a series of shots in an action movie, very little time passes rly, and actually events at two places happen at the same time: down there the 3 of them fight, up there #10 observes and gets to work. it is the decission of the director in what order he "changes angles" between those 2 locations ...and that changes the time perception. that is my feeling of what yagi did here...and considering the heated debate it sprouted I think it was a mistake (as the whole miria buisiness was handled a bit subpar for his standards)
Couldn't you make a more far-fetched theory haegar? There is nothing that would support that. In 106th chapter all Miria managed to do was escape and it looked like she was a toast. Then in the next one we read that it was easy-peasy for her to cut their heads off, lol. Besides her words you have nothing.
In short, there is no way it's as you say haegar. The entrance of the twins was in chapter 106th there is no doubt about it. There was no time-line screw up. "Twins, huh" - said Miria. And then we see one of them awakening. The fact is later they've powered down. We have obvious continuation of that fight in 107th chapter where they're still using their awakened forms and then powering down. No matter the reason they were from far from going all out so at best I could admit that Miria would be able to kill one of the twins (one since the other would instantly powered up as we've seen, picture 7) if she didn't even start releasing youki. But that's almost nothing.
from waiting 
Well it would seem she might awaken... that is if the spoiler is real which I doubt.
. But once the other released youki Miria was cornered (pictures 7 and 8) and could only be on the defensive. Which again clearly shows they were holding back on her. Miria however was basically fighting as if she had 30% youki released 7 years ago (otherwise she couldn't do her phantom, at least not until Pieta).So the difference is huge and shows that what Miria did was nothing. 
