2012-02-04, 18:14 | Link #5602 | |
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2012-02-04, 22:09 | Link #5608 | |
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Then there may be merit in bringing up more of Thoma's past to deliver hints, and build up the bridge that leads towards said developments. Otherwise, it's just hog-washing for needless gore and overdramatisation. Force doesn't need to be Berserk.
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2012-02-04, 22:20 | Link #5609 |
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If Force becomes Berserk, then it is going to be brutal. Since we already have a black knight, all we need is to put Touma through what Guts when through with Lily and the Special Force 6 as victim. Since we need a leader whom is also a friend turn enemy, maybe Hayate can substitue Griffs.
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2012-02-04, 22:28 | Link #5610 | |
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My point was that Thoma's backstory isn't one so thoroughly complex and intertwined that it needed to be a 'Golden Age : Version Force.' Or if I were to use Berserk in a better comparative, I would say that Gut's childhood with his adopted parents is a good example. 99% of all Gut's past remembrance are on Griffith/Casca/Band of Hawks. His moments before that, while important, were but a small, almost irrelevant part of what makes Guts whole. Likewise with Thoma. What defines Thoma is the 'destruction of his life' when his village was destroyed and how 'he was saved' when Subaru and co. gave him a family and place he can call home. And both of these elements were already given a decent amount of development. We don't need 2 chapters of 'Thoma watching his parents murdered, Thoma crawling out of the debris, stabs wild animals and eating them raw because rawr I must survive for revenge!!!!' because Thoma has not become a vengeful monster, nor does present Thoma carry so much trauma that he must be shown how he obtained those trauma through his suffering.
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2012-02-04, 22:42 | Link #5611 |
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I agree with you though. Amazing how he turned out despite the death of his parents and survive the destruction of his village, survive in the wild for months with a knife and yet is still a good kid.
One good thing is that he still has some reservations in becoming part of the Nakajimas as he still feels the case of his village unresolved. Also, it is shown that he still has the vengence part in him, so we will see how it goes when the real killers appear. So far, it seems that the Hukes are just being played scape goat for the case. Not that they are good person, but at least many hints show that it is not them. |
2012-02-04, 23:04 | Link #5612 |
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We probably don't, but I wasn't talking about entire chapter's worth - that would be dumb too. Just more than not much. They haven't even shown much of his town or his parents, and they're supposed to be pretty important to him, right? Likewise, they only thing they show of him afterward is when Subaru pops up and takes him in.
Not exactly something that does its best to tug on your heartstrings. |
2012-02-04, 23:27 | Link #5613 |
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His parents are about as important as Hayate's: What they looked like and who they were is not relevant since they're dead. It can't tug our heartstrings since we don't have a bond with them, so introducing them only to kill them within a few pages won't add much. The little bits needed so show that he cared for the town he lived in were shown in chapter 5.
Thoma's loss of his hometown isn't written to make us cry, it's written to make us understand his motivation. And for that, we only need a global picture of things. |
2012-02-05, 00:23 | Link #5615 |
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Yes, and for Tohma that something is "stuck with a virus that made him kill people." Not how that part was far more emphasized in the story when it started creeping up.
I will again compare to Hayate. Hayate's sympathy factor was that she was dieing from the book. She was a kid who had lived alone for an unknown number of years, but that wasn't the focus: She got our sympathy because she was dieing. We never even got to see her parents. Heck, they were never even mentioned. Her living alone was her motivation. That's why she wanted the Wolkenritter around, because they were her family. Character: Tohma - Hayate Motivation: dead town - living alone Sympathy factor: virus - encroaching death |
2012-02-05, 01:35 | Link #5618 |
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It's not like "stuff to garner sympathy" is concretely definable anyways. Some people will look at being corrupted by magic penis worms and raped repeatedly by your step-brother and say "What a slut."
Either way it's not like Thoma has even been all "Bad stuff happened to me so you should feel for me!" Stuff happens and he deals with it.
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