2009-12-12, 00:14 | Link #461 | |
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Bully for you though, because you know, you don't actually have to deal with making those kinds of decisions or shoulder those responsibilities or even bother to look at it from their perspective, so its real easy to sit there and criticize. At least Lelouch tried to end war in general, and that speaks far more volumes than what I'm hearing from the rest of you. Because you know what? Talk is cheap, and they don't amount to results unless followed through with action. I just get frustrated when I see people naively think they can make everything better and do nothing in return, because often times, they just make it a hell of a lot worst. That's not the reality we live in unfortunately, and it wasn't the reality Lelouch got to enjoy. Look, I'm tired or reading this or arguing in response, can we please drop this subject already and get back on topic? >_>
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2009-12-12, 00:21 | Link #462 | |
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Lelouch's maniacal laughing tends to prove that assertion.
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2009-12-12, 00:29 | Link #463 | |
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And you know, his numerous examples of disgust, or aid to others can be disregarded while his rather less then morally upright enemies getting the shaft deserve his pity for some reason. And I define sadist as someone who solely takes pleasure in causing pain to others for no apparent reason. I don't believe that applies to Lelouch.
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But yes, let's drop it already and get back to the topic at hand shall we?
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2009-12-12, 00:31 | Link #464 |
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Personally, if Taniguchi and Okōchi ever decide to revive Lelouch, I don't think it'd take away any meaning from the death he got in R2. Lelouch decided to die for all the sins he had committed (honestly, other than the massacre in the Geass Order, I never saw Lelouch committing any major sin, considering they were fighting against oppression, but that's just my opinion), and thus he sought for that kind of end. However, if for some reason... say, he accidentally inherited V.V.'s Code (this is just a hypothetical case, please don't take it seriously), and he received the opportunity to continue living, I think that'd be quite meaningful as well.
To begin with, he'd still technically count as dead, since he'd be unable to return to his previous life, to the people he cared about. So, in that way, he'd still be living under punishment (not to mention immortality is quite a punishment on itself, as evidenced by C.C.). However, he'd be able to start again. He'd be able to do good, without finding himself in any major conniving situations. Not only that, but Lelouch was someone who, deep down inside, really wanted to enjoy life, but he was too stubborn to do so, since he wanted to have his revenge as well, and became too focused on that that he couldn't enjoy the good things he had. A second opportunity to live would allow him to do good (naturally, in a much minor scale), and to enjoy life. He'd be like a hobo, just that a FABULOUS one. Anyway, as I've said before, the staff has pretty much kept him dead. So, even if one day they decide to revive him, for the time being, that's nothing but wishful thinking. All the same, theorising is fun, as long as we don't take this seriously, and as long as we respect what the staff has said.
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2009-12-12, 00:42 | Link #465 |
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To be exact, the given reason for Lelouch's decision in death was because he used Geass on others.
However, I would like to point out that this subject has little to do with the release of a new project. I vote the entire subject gets dropped.
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2009-12-12, 00:53 | Link #466 | |
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Anyway, I agree on dropping the subject. Perhaps, any theorising can be carried out in another thread. By the way, was there any new info in Newtype? The magazine was supposed to be released on the 10th, right?
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2009-12-12, 00:57 | Link #467 |
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Oh damn, I started a flame war. I'm sorry guys I didn't mean to get people at each other's throats. Totally my fault, though what I said wasn't taken in the way I intended it. When I said that Lelouch was being stupid, what I mean't wasn't just that he had other options to avoid needless bloodshed (as others here have already pointed out).
What I meant though is that I feel he sacraficed too much on a personal level for ZR, and hurt those closest to him the most. If he had chosen a route with less bloodshed in the final story arc he could have given himself and those he cared about a much happier ending while still getting world peace. To me it just seemed like he caused needless pain to himself and those he loved the most, THAT is why I called him stupid, though yes that is too harsh. Just explaining myself here, not trying to continue the flame war so can we please keep it on topic? And once again sorry for stirring the pot.
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2009-12-12, 01:52 | Link #468 | |
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Hindsight greater then foresight in any event. And true Lelouch ended up sacrificing a lot of himself, but that makes him more admirable in that he would put the well being of the world and giving a future to those he cares for, even if it is without him. I think people are far too optimistic in thinking they can do something as far-reaching without expecting some kind of sacrifice in the end, whether personal or physical. Out of all the options, I can see why he thought his would be the one that would be able to unify the world in the most effective way, and in a long-term perspective would have caused the least amount of bloodshed through the unification of the world and hatred toward him, holding him as an example of scorn for generations to come on every corner of the world. It might be somewhat saddening to note, but people seem to remember pain and tragedy far more vividly then they remember hope, but in this event Lelouch gave them both through him as a Demon and Suzaku as Zero. But yes, apology accepted, and now that I have explained myself let us get back on topic. It seems like the manga will be the only venture of this Renya of the Darkness storyline, if there are multiple projects in the works then most likely their will be another or possibly a variety of different stories that will be featured soon enough, so I believe those who have misgivings about the manga should probably lessen their worry under this... speculation of mine that seems logically sound, that there will be more then just this prequel and manga. If that is the case, I don't much see a way to avoid offering some kind of animated project as well, whether a new season, an OVA, or a movie in any event.
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2009-12-12, 02:21 | Link #471 | |
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I've found another summary in the following LJ (please forgive me if this has been posted already).
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2009-12-12, 07:34 | Link #473 |
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I figured the flamming would happen sooner or later.. though I don't get why people would start a flame war over something of another geass universe...
This is almost getting to the point where we need a "Leave Lelouch alone!" video.. good idea though, would make many laughs But seriously.. anyone even saying the two words Lelouch and alive doesn't belong here, the new project is set in edo... now they invented many things in the anime-verse EXCEPT a time machine... and so far it doesn't even fit in the ani-verse either.. it is a different story all together, now pack your Lelouch-fanclub bags and move it somewhere else =) |
2009-12-12, 07:41 | Link #474 |
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Hu. I don't see anyone claiming that Lelouch is alive.
Maybe I missed something? Anyway, let's drop it. Hm. I'm not sure how interested I am in that new Code Geass. I easily come to dislike prequels, as I already now the ultimate outcome. But it really depends on a lot of factors, so I'll just wait and see. I'd have preferred an anime, though.
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2009-12-12, 12:30 | Link #475 | |
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Another thing is what exactly is that rating score at the bottom mean, if you don't mind explaining?
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2009-12-12, 12:49 | Link #476 | |
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The geass rating is prob about.. well geass, how much about geass it contains Originality speaks for itself Challenge, how big of a challenge will the main character will have to fight through Shock rating, plot twists and all that, thing to make us go @-@ WTF AMI READN Addiction rating, how hooked it will be |
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2009-12-12, 12:51 | Link #477 | |
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2009-12-12, 13:00 | Link #478 | |
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2009-12-12, 13:37 | Link #480 | |
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Don't look that much at the ratings, unless they are all horrible. They are all for promotion to get more readers, it isn't anything to be taken very seriously because it goes by the opinion of the reviewers, an individual reader may think differently |
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