2010-08-03, 23:38 | Link #15201 |
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And as Lambda says in Episode 5: "All new truths overshadow the old ones." Or something along those lines.
Still, regardless of the hints, it's not introduced until Episode 6, so Judoh is right on that point. Or a better word is confirmed, I guess. But I digress. On a side note, it seems almost as if he's saying this with the Vs. Letter: "Hey guys, I might've made some logical fallacies in some of the previous Episodes, but it's alright, since I can correct them in later Episodes. Just thought I'd give you a heads up." -Ryuu 07- |
2010-08-04, 00:08 | Link #15202 | |
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Edit: Thinking generally speaking the Siestas' absurd powers can really be taken as the witch's side sorta cheating/abusing the rules. Possibly why Beato never uses it herself ... at least directly... I mean just the idea that the Siestas never miss. That's pretty easy to do if you write it so you hit every time. |
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2010-08-04, 00:29 | Link #15204 | |
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2010-08-04, 00:41 | Link #15206 | |
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However, Beatrice can use endless magic, rewrite the story before. That's exactly what she did in that battle. After Virgilia made a "winning" move, Beato did her "desperate move" in which she rewrote the past so she had won already at the start. Actually I think this is the clearest example we've had all along of how things works. @Chronotrig Thanks! |
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2010-08-04, 00:50 | Link #15208 |
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I guess it just matters to find "who's furniture is Goldsmith".
As for that, I guess there's plenty of possibilities. The likeliest one being Beato I think. For most of arc 4 the main question is "why such drastic measures were used by Beato" and my guess is because Kinzo's death was found out by everyone except the cousins, that so before the FT. |
2010-08-04, 00:56 | Link #15209 | |
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Well why can't Ronove or the stakes make you gun proof? That was the reason they were summoned there and we were shown at least one of them doing something like that. The Siesta were just sort of..." higher level" than them for some reason.
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2010-08-04, 01:06 | Link #15210 |
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Spoiler for Umineko Motion Graphic 7:
I and everyone were looking at this picture and asking why Rosa was holding Beatrice? And then everyone realized that it was Older-Sis Beatrice. Which kinda brings forth the question... could Rosa have been or is a 'Beatrice'? I know she's one of the candidates for dressing up as Beatrice, at least when she's back on the island. But I was wondering what the plausibility is of her having 'succeeded' Beatrice's position in 1967 after Beatrice-2 died? And now, after she left, it's fallen to Shannon or Jessica? ... and I'm not sure how this helps us, exactly... yet. |
2010-08-04, 01:21 | Link #15212 |
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Maybe it's just the people that make the UMG who believe Rosa is Beatrice or something and that idea was reflected on that pic.
However since they are not affiliated with 07Expansion, who cares?
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That was my feeling there... as if she knew Eva was heading towards the gold anyways... |
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2010-08-04, 01:32 | Link #15214 |
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@ Judoh
The thing is that beside the Siestas and Sakutarou, everything else has a background (including Beatrice herself) that wasn't created by the gamemaster. They're taken mostly from the Divine Comedy but the general idea is that they're not limited to any specific culture (after all, Beato fears eastern holy objects as well for instance). However there's Maria. The witch of orrigins who can create 1. 1 is weak, but Maria's 1 are free of restrictions. Maria created Sakutarou but not his current shape, and likely not his power of preventing Maria and himself from being targets. Beatrice can turn 1 into 100, but with Maria's furniture, she can create any 100 she wants because she's not limited by the cultural ideas behind various other furnitures. As thus results unfair powers such as Siestas and Sakutarou. At least, this is my understanding of it. @ Kylon I guess it's possible. Rosa was like 12-14 at the time? Shannon began to work on Rokkenjima 9 years after, so it's possible Shannon's arrival and Rosa's departure happened at similar time. |
2010-08-04, 01:49 | Link #15215 | |
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Beatrice was said to be the master of the island, or at least one of the masters. In addition, Beatrice was shown to be a title inherited from one woman to another. How about... that there must be a line of Beatrices? We're thinking that Shannon must be the current 'Beatrice.' And she has this obligation to stay and 'be' Beatrice. However, Jessica would be the next candidate if Shannon were to leave and marry George. ... and.. this means Kanon can't marry Jessica somehow? Hmmmm... maybe Beatrice's aren't allowed to marry or something... Hmm.. needs more work. |
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2010-08-04, 03:41 | Link #15216 | |
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2010-08-04, 04:13 | Link #15217 | |
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It's important to remember every single statement of red is only true in the phrasing it's presented in, and only out of context. Context has no bearing on the meaning of the red truth unless that context is also in red or used as a qualifier for that specific red statement("From now on I will use Kinzo to refer to the living Kinzo" is a good example of such a qualifier). If Shkanontrice is true then all it means is that at some point during the year 1967 Shannon visited Kuwadorian. Possibly. For an unstated period of time which may not have been for longer than five minutes. |
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2010-08-04, 04:23 | Link #15218 |
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Shannon is 16. Is this is true then she isn't even alive in 1967. Second, Ronove was the one who told us this red. If he's there to help Battler, like it was suggested in EP 5 and 6, then why twist around the red when Beatrice isn't even around?
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2010-08-04, 04:32 | Link #15219 |
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I was using Shkanontrice as an example. If anything the fact that Shannon is only 16 lends itself to suggest that Shkanon may be true, but Shkanontrice is not. "19 years ago is when the ruler of this island was born" remember? A lot of information, in my opinion, suggests that whomever actually IS Beatrice, was born in 1967. The fact that "Beatrice-sama existed in 1967 in (probably Kuwadorian)" means it's likely that whomever is Beatrice was born there in that year.
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