2008-11-27, 20:28 | Link #1121 | |
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Whoever mandated that Christianity must be a stuffy, boring affair in order to be "respectable"? Is it any wonder that church attendance is falling across Europe? Between the long-winded sermon of a dowdy, didactic pastor, and the singing, clapping, foot-tapping congregation of a black gospel church, which do you think most church-goers would prefer? If Paul the Apostle were alive today, how do you think he'd go about spreading the New Testament to as many people as possible? Bearing in mind that he was the one who did more than any other disciple, personally travelling the length and breadth of the Mediterranean, to spread Jesus' good news? Let's not forget, too, that one of the many reasons the late Pope John Paul was so popular was because he was an immensely telegenic man. It's all about spreading the good Word, to as many people as possible. So I say, free your mind. Don't stay stuck in the past. Use what works today. |
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2008-11-27, 21:19 | Link #1122 | |
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But there requries a balance TRL, and that (to me) crosses it. The example you're using speaks of catholism, the side of christianity that pertains mainly to rituals and old traditions.
So yes, with the world and society changing drastically as it is in the last 50 years (last 10 with the internet), less people are inclined to go to church, but that isn't pinned down merely the style of the service, but simply to the attitudes of society. Lot more athiests about, lots more agonostic people, lots more others who are willing to use religion as a custom to regluate their lives rather than actually believing in something simply cause they can't see it. Saying that, Christianity has been poked at and challenged and parodied so many times esp from the 70's onwards, that those who do feel offended and protest are now seen as 'annoying people' What does that say about us all then? Glance at the danish event with the muslim comic strip and you saw the reaction there. A century or so ago when the church did have more power, it'd have provoked a similar response in England. Even to say something bout the king/queen at the time could be a neck-chopping offense. And while there are methodists, baptists, and tons more diverse branches of christianity, some others that may seem more 'fun', the bible at the end of the day still remains in some form of '1 thick book'. Besides you guys should go browse christian bookstores more, there are tons of material and versions of chapters of the bible or testaments of it in colour, with pictures or designs. Lots broken down into simple explaination, kids bible stories and so on; it's not like we've only just realised that we need to keep with the times Saying that, it tends to be key words that turn people off regardless. Testament, bible, good word, the great book... Once people get wind of what it's an interpretation of, they kinda tune out (this is something she's personally noticed) Swedish dude is just making a buck tho, one of the things about the bible is that it's subject to interpretation (which causes all kinds of fun as we all know) So why take more of the text out of context and place it in a visual media and imagery that has nothing to do with it? Some of you may say 'but it helps young people to relate' - i'll counter that with 'again... visit a few christian bookstores and stuff, it's not an idea that has just recently clocked on' It looks good on a general 'ohh let's have a peek at it', but those not into christianity or have never touched a bible will not gain anything significant from it methinks, nor gain a feeling to suddenly visit lots of various branches of christianity to see what each style of service is like, in addition, "with no chapter or verse numbers" - means that if someone did like a certain aspect of a chapter, they wouldn't be able to relate the passage to cross reference it. It's like using journals without footnotes, reading a fiction book without page numbers or chapters. Secondly, many public places (uk wise) don't allow religion related material in shops, cafes or (in my case, libraries) if it's not part of the business itself, because if it trips one off, others are wanna gonna do the same and we begin again with possible confrontation. PS: cockney bible rules xD (Purely for laughs) Quote:
edit: speaking about the queen xD http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...re/7751770.stm Well, it's just an arrestable offence for now i guess :P and those doing their bit for nature, by getting down with nature... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7752852.stm (it's a vid, keep an eye about 30secs in, lol) And from BBC's top ten Odd Box, for funky news around the world (number 1 rules, lol) Frozen turkey bingo, the world's biggest pillow fight and the cat with far too many toes. It's Newsbeat's Odd Box with Dominic Byrne. http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/en...00/7753638.stm
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It seems to me that more people are protesting the perceived trivialisation of Christianity, rather than the supposed weaknesses of the glossy magazine format for transmitting the words of the Bible. Which ought to be surprising, considering how the Bible used to be published, before the days of the printing press. As the article said: "At first the Bible was a collection of scrolls, then illustrated handwritten volumes. When printing was invented they were produced in Latin with pictures." Wow, pictures. How scandalous. Simply put, before having seen or read the Bible Illuminated, I reserve judgment on whether it's actually sacrilegious. Until then, I'd stick to my first impression: "Wow, how original. Why didn't I think of it before?" Quote:
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It's not my intention to inflame opinions on the matter. But in the end, the reactions to the Bible Illuminated are not unlike the reactions I hear from theatre critics who debate whether Shakespeare's plays would "lose their meaning" if they are staged with modern sets and costumes. I hugely enjoyed Baz Luhrman's Romeo + Juliet. If the Bard were alive today, I'd fully expect him to make a movie like that. |
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2008-11-28, 09:34 | Link #1124 | |
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But the bible linguistically has been updated and translated and simplified and jazzed, so it's not the language itself that we have issues with now. If someone really wants a simple, illustrated guide, they can have it, but that magazine is just that: A maagzine with references from the bible. well i can only go as far as what the bbc have said, but i don't particulary see it as anything innovative except maybe in design. Btw, you've re arranged some of my sentences and then answered each section as a group, which has taken it out of context to how i arranged and linked it all when i composed that. Please take care of how you answer. The muslim example was linked to how attitudes of christianity have changed, but it was very similar in terms of how sensitive people were... only hundreds of years ago perhaps. we get south park, where jesus is fighting santa and we can take it with a pinch of salt. And then we get a comic strip, which almost causes riots, since people see it as an 'insult' Different religions, yes, but i doubt within muslim societies, there's much room for parody concerning islam, I'd be curious to see a 'modified' magazine version of the Qu’uran for those who aren't muslim, just to get a feel for the other religion and perhaps understand it better. Somehow, i don't see it happening anytime soon though... As for the public places sentence i put, that was related to the article, where the creator says he'd like to see this in cafes and shops, but religious material is still religious material (unless totally obsecure); many may feel reluntant to distrubute it.
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2008-11-28, 12:44 | Link #1125 | |
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Actually they do exist... in a way. I went to Malaysia a long time ago, and there were some magazine dedicated to Islam for different demographics for lifestyle, women, fashion, kids and even comics. Yet what all of them have common at least is the fact they have verses from the Koran (called the Quran in some places in the world) which had anything related to the subject they cover. Surprisingly there's also some smaller magazines which talk about today society with a mix of the supernatural and weird stories that 'claim' to be true(which some i doubt happen) and philosophy talk. There even books by philosophers about living the modern life yet still being religious but one book that caught my attention was about what Muslim can do and cannot do in sex?! In an unrelated note: One story from those smaller magazines that took my notice was well.... Spoiler for So NSFW:
Of course some of these books tend to be confiscated by the government especially if they are religious study books which misinterpreted & contradict Islamic values but surprisingly those smaller trashy magazine still continue. Go Figure. |
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2008-11-28, 14:28 | Link #1126 | |
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Yeah,those mags still exist & getting better with some diversity.They even has fashion column for Muslim women,that is breathtaking for sure.
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2008-11-28, 18:26 | Link #1127 |
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@ MrTerrorist
I dunno, I was expecting something actually explicit within your spoiler, I feel somewhat cheated. xD Nice to be proven wrong in this case, sounds interesting tho
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2008-11-28, 23:34 | Link #1128 |
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I could but the problem is some these 'sexual' stories tend to bland in their description of what they were doing but will sometime mention explicit content. Furthermore, if i do tell you about them, i will get banned for posting +18 stories on this thread. (And by way the some theses stories are really +18 materials but with mixture of Aesop's and morals in them, it makes you wonder if the magazine publishers are just making smutty stories under the guise of moral values.)
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2008-11-29, 08:19 | Link #1129 | |
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My earlier post on this thread does'nt involve those +18 mags,I was talking about other more educative & thoughtfull mags for example Saji,Wanita,Mastika & others.Is it so many I can barely post it here.
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2008-11-29, 12:26 | Link #1130 | |
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2008-11-29, 12:42 | Link #1131 | |
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Hmm...I heard that some Koreans TV station are doing some investigation about shaman(bomoh) in Malaysia.According to their thoroughful research,many of shaman tricks can actually be done by science.I don't know about them,from my exprience usually these shaman use many tricks that can hurt people.
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2008-11-29, 23:32 | Link #1132 | |
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Watch this. Translation 1: 大 (ookii, big) causes to a large flush for large size waste (大便, daiben, feces) 2: 小 (chiisai, small) causes a small flush for small size waste (小便. shonben or shouben, urine). 3: Lowers the lid and closes the seat 4: Lowers the seat and raises the lid 5 Raises both the lid and the seat 6: Stops all operations 7: おしり(oshiri, Butt): Washing of the anus, regular 8: やわらか (yawaraka, tender): Washing of the anus, soft mode 9: ビデ: (Bide, Bidet): Washing of the private parts. 10: 乾燥 (kansou, dry): Blow dryer for drying the private parts 11: ムーブ (入/切)(Muubu, Move): Rotates the nozzle sideways back and forth 12: マッサージ (入/切) (Massaji, Massage): Cyclic increase in the nozzle pressure for a masage of the anus. Button for On/Off Credit to wikipedia. |
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