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View Poll Results: Sword Art Online - Episode 24 Rating | |||
10 out of 10 : Near Perfect... | 52 | 33.33% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent... | 31 | 19.87% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good... | 21 | 13.46% | |
7 out of 10 : Good... | 16 | 10.26% | |
6 out of 10 : Average... | 9 | 5.77% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average... | 4 | 2.56% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor... | 4 | 2.56% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad... | 2 | 1.28% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad... | 1 | 0.64% | |
1 out of 10 : Torturous... | 16 | 10.26% | |
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2012-12-19, 03:30 | Link #321 | ||
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Also, your arguments for points 1 and 3 don't hold up very well. May want to consider a revision. Quote:
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2012-12-19, 05:53 | Link #323 | |
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2012-12-19, 12:22 | Link #324 | |
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"THE CAKE IS A LIE!" ? Kirito got so mad that Yui-chan had to remind him to get Asuna first! XD I know it was supposed to be a serious situation but....yeah, that "cake" bit screwed it up for me. But I also took it as a fun little nod from the director: "Heroic fanboy is still a fanboy." Hehehe XD
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2012-12-19, 12:38 | Link #325 | |
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2012-12-19, 13:59 | Link #326 | ||
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Yeah, we all know that Kirito had it hard: branded (although by himself) as Beater, the death of all people while boss battles, the death of Sachi and their guild and ofc the killing of Kuradeel. But even so he found Asuna and, sry to say that, but I doubt they would have met each other if SAO didn't exist... The point is: he certainly has many negativ memories from that time, but it isn't as like he only has those. And btw... I don't think that everybody who has joyfull memories of SAO and say that it was better than he/she expected is a selfish jerk. It's not like everybody made the same experiences as Kirito...take Silica for example, the worst thing that happened to her in SAO was the "death" of Pina, which could be reversed...I dunno but in her place I would have no hate towards Kayaba after 2 years ingame anymore. Btw I never said I'm ok with Kayaba, but I think there is no problem with not hating him anymore, maybe not for Kirito (although that depends on his way of thinking), but for many other people in SAO. About the people who were killed in there and the families of the victims...although that analogy isn't the best, do you approve of war? In most countries of our world people are forced to join the army and although you may think otherwise the situation between somebody on a battlefield and somebody in SAO is entirely the same. The only difference is that in SAO you don't feel pain and that you (at least normally) don't fight against humans. The problem is the same: you can't see your family and friends anymore and you can die. On the other hand you can find new friends and people you trust and if you survive you can go back to your family after your time on the battlefield just like in SAO when it's cleared... So while it is madness what Kayaba did; it's not like he's the only one doing things like that and now you have to ask yourself: do you really hate George W. Bush for example? Because in the end it was his command that startet the Iraq war... Although that analogy can be seen as too extreme in my opinion it reflects exactly the situation of the SAO survivers. Quote:
Certainly everybody who is dieing in agony ask himself the question if it would be better if he never lived to begin with. Also there are quite many depressed people out there who ask themselves this question everyday. But oh well thinking about that too hard only leads in circles, because in the end you must come to the conclusion that you hate your parents for giving birth to you and at the same time love them for that... |
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2012-12-19, 16:04 | Link #328 |
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Really dude, your whole post screams of an absurd attempt to justify Kayaba`s inhuman deeds. 10000 people were forced to play a death game, ~4000 people died and god knows how many more people have traumatc experience because this incredible selfish jerk with a god complex wanted to play a game. War is always something to be despised and is only acceptable if you have no other choice but to defend yourself. In Kayaba`s case, there is absolutely nothing that can justify what he did. |
2012-12-19, 16:40 | Link #329 | |
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Acknowledging or being thankful for good things that came from evil deeds is not the same as forgiving or condoning said evil deeds in the first place.
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2012-12-19, 16:57 | Link #330 |
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Saying thanks to a mass murder just doesn't appeal to me. People like Kabaya have thrown away every right to receive a thank you or any other form of kindness. After all he has done, he just doesn't deserve anything but a court procedure that would put him in jail till he died. Too bad that he is already dead and got away.
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2012-12-19, 17:11 | Link #331 | |||
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Simple fact is Kayaba placed her life at risk and killed thousands for his own selfish reasons; that alone should be enough reason to hate him. She didn't need a DEATH game to have her bond with Pina [mod edit: removed spoiler; it may be revealed later in the anime] Quote:
Also in SAO they DO feel pain... its very clear from the look on their faces that loosing HP DOES hurt. Yes, but part of this debate is Kirito's behavior and attitude towards Kayaba which DOES some to come off as condoning his evil deeds. He can be thankful for what he got from his horrible experience, but that should not mean for him to condone what Kayaba has done to him and thousands of others for his own selfish reasons.
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2012-12-19, 18:06 | Link #332 | |
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2012-12-19, 18:39 | Link #333 | |||
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You don't feel pain, BUT your brain tells yourself that you should feel pain if your struck by a sword, so it's more or less the exact opposite of phantom limb pain. The pain itself only comes from your imagination Quote:
What I approve is that you can be thankfull for the good things that came out of that crisis without having a bad feeling like being selfish or sth like that. Quote:
The first time he just fired all his rage into beating him, so I can understand that he doesn't want to argue anymore, also he thought that he would die anyways. The second time he helped him for real to accomplish his aim just as he needed help. I dunno if I then would think of condemn him in that moment. The time will show if he will forgive Kayaba or not... [mod edit: ...I removed the spoiler here too. You cannot talk at all about anything that hasn't happened yet in an anime thread, not even as a hint.] Last edited by relentlessflame; 2012-12-19 at 18:54. |
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2012-12-19, 21:42 | Link #335 | |
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Hypothetically, if I myself met the woman I'd love for the rest of my life through a life-threatening death game and surviving it, I sure as hell wouldn't be entirely full of contempt for the person who organized it because if it wasn't for them I wouldn't be experiencing such present happiness. In the end it doesn't justify what Kayaba did and he does deserve to be imprisoned for life or executed for the severity of his crime, but c'mon, Kayaba had a large part towards Kazuto and Asuna's current happiness. It's undeniable.
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2012-12-19, 21:45 | Link #336 | |
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I just want to rewind back to the start of the conversation for a moment and point out that, when Kazuto thanked Kayaba, it was only because he gave him the Admin powers needed to save Asuna, which Kayaba didn't by any means have to do. Although we've branched out into a broader discussion, we shouldn't really interpret this as any sort of thanks for anything else. He may still think Kayaba is a monster, but in this one case he did Kazuto a favour -- though not without a reason (because if Sugou had been allowed to take everything from Kazuto, Kazuto wouldn't want anything to do with The Seed). There wasn't really any point in getting angry at him at that moment, particularly since it wasn't going to change anything now (and, from Kazuto's perspective, what just happened is finally going to allow him to move on). Quote:
I don't think it's "flawed logic", just that you're pointing out two different things that happened at once and both are true. They don't cancel each other out.
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2012-12-19, 21:50 | Link #337 | |
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@relentlessflame I'm talking not about SAO a simple game but about the death aspect in the game. |
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2012-12-19, 22:00 | Link #338 | |
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Who's to say they still would have fallen in love if SAO wasn't a death game? The show seems to suggest that's a much slimmer possibility.
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2012-12-19, 22:03 | Link #339 |
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Without the aspect of death and being forced to stay there, SAO would never have been anything but a game, one where you log on, have fun, then log out again when the day is over.
Kayaba's goal was to make a world that could be taken as and accepted as [reality], and the only way to do that was to make the consequences equal to those in reality. So all in all, the philosophies Kirito and Asuna came to espouse are exactly what Kayaba wanted from the beginning. Again, this isn't an attempt to justify what was done, or say that it was right. But the death game has its place in the grand scheme of things. Kayaba doesn't regret what he did, and he's still a monster. But on the same note, I don't think Kirito and Asuna don't regret the 2 years they spent in SAO, and I imagine if they were given the chance to go back in time and avoid putting on the NervGear (Under the assumption the incident still happens anyway), they would both refuse.
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Not to mention that while the players might not suffer physical injuries (not counting having their brains fried), their physical bodies were still suffering form being in the game for so long. Being stuck in a bed for years will cause a great deal of deterioration that would take months of rehabilitation to recover... even when you get out, it may be months (depending on how long they were stuck inside the game before someone won) before you can go out for a simple walk on your own. Quote:
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