2012-07-22, 17:33 | Link #10101 |
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Yeah that reasoning doesn't work. If she's in love with him she'd want him to be alive, full stop. Unless your going to argue she'd rather him be dead than not be the one to save him. It's not even like she's after his affection he freaking proposed to her.
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2012-07-22, 17:45 | Link #10104 |
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I do not agree that the Medaka do it is incorrect.
Medaka is most worried about Zen - in the end she loves him. Let's look logically. Opponents released from captivity Ajimu. That's their strategy. Their initiative. They look like idiots to let free to armed enemy that will destroy them? I do not think. While Zen is in hostages Medaka will be forced to play someone else's game. She will not risk Zen life. Why did you decide that Anshin'in-san better? Medaka says is correct - save the Zen it is my work. In the end, Medaka won all why she should entrust the salvation of Zen the other girl. I'm not about jealousy. I'm talking about professional quality. Last edited by ccie20012; 2012-07-22 at 17:57. |
2012-07-22, 17:47 | Link #10105 |
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During Flask Plan Medaka injected herself not once but TWICE a syringe Kujira gave her without even not caring about its content nor what it would do her.
She's simply as described; so smart she reverts back to stupid. She has been that way since the day she was born. |
2012-07-22, 17:48 | Link #10106 | |
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Regardless of how you look at it it was a terrible choice. For goodness sake if Aijimu was going all out she can even manipulate time. That's why the author had to use this plot device to keep her in check. |
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2012-07-22, 17:50 | Link #10107 | |
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but she just wants to be the one to do it. Because love. And that's stupid. Because it's love. |
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2012-07-22, 17:52 | Link #10108 |
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Honestly...I wouldn't mind Zen dying (though he is one of my favorite characters) and staying dead (Not even Ajimu could bring him back for some reason) if it taught Medaka a lesson.
Something like, the card Zen is trapped in ends up being destroyed by Momo in a rage after she loses to Medaka in her little game, which in turn makes it so the body ceases to exist and for some reason every skill Ajimu has of resurrection requires the body. Medaka learns this, is broken and just to be an epic troll Ajimu tells her that it would have never happened if she had let her pride aside and let her take care of things. Something along those lines... |
2012-07-22, 18:04 | Link #10111 |
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Indeed, letting Ajimu do all the job would soon end this in a matter of seconds.
However, the estipulation Medaka added in the rules for this game makes me suspect she is planning something else. Why one hour? Whatever is the reason behind, it seems as allowing Ajimu take part in it would mess up with what she's planning to do. |
2012-07-22, 18:50 | Link #10113 | |
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This is the issue I'm talking about. By most humans concepts of love she's doing the exact opposite what most people in love would do. This ofcourse assuming she's not doing this for an entirely different reason that has nothing to do with saving Zenkichi. But from face value, i'm unable to brush this this aside as "love". Last edited by Daniel E.; 2012-08-05 at 21:30. |
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2012-07-22, 19:02 | Link #10114 |
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^The first course will be completed in 4 exact hrs, that alone should give anyone here an idea. Clearly, Medaka has something else in mind, and she doesn't want Ajimu to take part in the game nor to end things with one sweep because it would be counterproductive, likely.
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2012-07-22, 19:06 | Link #10115 | |
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2012-07-22, 19:07 | Link #10116 | |
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And according to her, she's not betting on anyone's lives. To her, there's a 100% chance of success. She is so confident in herself, that she knows she'll win, so there's no need to worry. Taking that into consideration, why shouldn't she be reckless with these kinds of decisions? The way she sees it, either Ajimu or herself can end this completely. In such a case, she wants to be the one to do it, because of her pride and love for Zenkichi. It's kinda petty in a way. But she hasn't been given a reason to doubt her abilities, with her kind of conviction such a thing was to be expected. Which is why I'm confused why people are getting all riled up. |
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2012-07-22, 19:24 | Link #10117 | |
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You shouldn't be taking that risk regardless how small on someone elses life. It's not even like said person was given a choice in this. Manga logic or not it's messed up regardless how u look at it. It's not even like she's never lost before. She lost to Zenkichi. I'm not saying these her actual reasons they probably aren't but if the current situation doesn't really change then she's being extremely dodgy. |
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2012-07-22, 19:26 | Link #10118 |
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The anwser is simple: Medaka's arrogant as shit. And she's underestimating her opponents, and being more than a tad selfish. It's not like Anshin' san dosen't have her own feelings towards Zenkichi she wants to act upon.
But, like it's been said, she is one helluva stupid human being. In love. So it can be expected. And it's completely understandable. It's just that she's so bland and boring about it... |
2012-07-22, 19:30 | Link #10119 |
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You trust too much Ajimu and do not trust Medaka.
Ajimu said - I can save everyone. Medaka said I could save everyone. Why Medaka must give the work to someone else. I think we should have more confidence in the choice of Medaka. Do you think that if the Medaka said - let's Ajimu do it - then the next moment everything would be done. But I guess the next time or Ajimu again would be captured or Zen would have died. The main reason - the enemies are not complete idiots, they would have never released Ajimu, if it did not have an absolute technique to combat it. They could just say - we free anyone, but not Ajimu (!) And Zen. I would give Medaka opportunity to do their job. Before I give all to the hands Ajimu - see prev chapters (this Arc) Ajimu won at someone? She just sat in jail. Put yourself in the Medaka place. Ajimu that can be easily captured, and it did not come out to freedom itself. Yeah, maybe she did not care - free or not. Can not get - well, sit here. Living a Zen or dead - in the end it for her is not priority number one. There is a saying - "if you want to do something good, do it yourself." |
2012-07-22, 19:40 | Link #10120 |
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@Sol Falling: It's Momo and Shichika... Momoko reduces the beauty of Momozono Momo into nothingness while Ichika turns Shichika into Kazune... Nisio's names are special, so it gets really annoying to see them misspelled over and over again. ;;;;
@Tenchi Hou Take: It's "father figure (Tsurubami Fukurou)" not father (Kurokami Kajiki)... As Kujira pointed out, their father is safe and doing well... There is no higher percentage than 100%. She is 100% sure both she and Ajimu have a 100% chance of saving Zenkichi and as Cross said, she wants to be the one to save him. We as the readers and those around her might see it in a different way, but this is the way Medaka sees it and as long as people around her agree to it and don't interfere, we have no right to judge. You can call foul all you want, but next week or the week after that or the week after that or the week after that something will surely make all this make sense in a spectacular fashion, so there is no need to discuss it. (What Cross means isn't manga logic in any way, it's the common sense of Medaka's own world --a world governed by whimsy more than anything else.) In the end, the whimsical god would just create a new universe and revive Zenkichi there or just give up and erase the universe all together. We can't fathom how those without equals think now, can we... If the rules doesn't suit her, she'll remake them. @ccie20012: If there is something Ajimu cannot do, it's because she doesn't want to do it yet. She is as omnipotent and omniscience as it gets. However, she is too whimsical and because she existed far longer than the universe itself, time is probably nothing to her. Waiting to see things unfold without helping -- that's what she was doing, not simply "staying in jail" because she couldn't leave.
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