2011-08-17, 11:29 | Link #222 | |
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It's like seeing a girl turn her head in your direction in a crowd and assuming she's interested in you. |
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2011-08-17, 13:30 | Link #223 | |
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In this case this manga certainly puts a significant empathize towards kissing, if you fail to notice - then its your problem. And no not a lot women go and sleep into orgies to be whores. One night stand? Yeah possible though that depends how much the woman respects herself, but in this manga this is back to being an orgy whore, and it is not a one night stand. Its quite different and once again kills any romantic development this manga ever had. |
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2011-08-17, 13:31 | Link #224 | |
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Spoiler for ch24/Harumi Chihiro wtf..?:
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2011-08-17, 17:53 | Link #225 |
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I don't think it's right for Kano to have rebound sex, but I see there is a reason why she is. Not all bad or "wrong" acts are done on a whim. Feel free to feel digusted at the orgies and how unpure she is. Harumi Chihiro made it clear that Kano is used goods from very early on in the series and she accepted it. However, that does not mean that it was unprovoked.
If you honestly take a kiss and some good sex as not just affection, but love, then I believe that's horribly naive of you. Kano has had a history of orgies. She took a break because she began showing interest in Nitta. However, that affection is not on the same level as love. It never had the time to grow to that intensity. Yet, you expect Kano to find another man to show the same kind of "love" she felt with Nitta. She never learned to go that far. As "right" as that would be, a lot of people aren't nice or capable enough to do something when they rarely get anything in return. The entire point is that Nitta prematurely ended Kano's love and sense of love. Expecting her to find another guy and live happily ever after considering the circumstances would be a huge DEM asspull and just as infuriating as the current situation. |
2011-08-17, 19:18 | Link #226 | |
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Whether you believe Kano and Nitta loved each other or not, Kano undoubtedly loved her real mother and she loved her back. However, she died prematurely and look how Kano turned out. Kano does whatever the hell she wants and obviously doesn't give a damn about her family, which includes her real father who is still alive. Yet, no one reprimanded her for being an ungrateful child who didn't take the right path and continue to show familial love towards her father and stepmother after her real mother's death. Sex aside, Nitta didn't show Kano any more love than Kano's mother did. If anything this is just a repeat of her childhood trauma where the affection she wants is ended prematurely, so why is she beyond hope now when she didn't do the right thing after her mother's death years ago? Are people just overlooking the way she acts after her mother's death because they didn't see it firsthand like they see her after Nitta's rejection? |
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2011-08-18, 02:52 | Link #227 | |
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She had her fun with kids, she had her fun while shopping for someone else than herself, she had "Goodnight" said for her in a long time. Those are all significant points that shouldnt be flushed in the toilet this easily as it was. The key of her encounter with Nitta was her opening up to another word as well as developing the new feeling. Yes it was badly crushed but it is not an imperative to let akk development of 23 chapters go down the pipe just like that. And thats what happened. Everything was turned in zero, just that we wasted 3 volumes on that, and rebuilding from this point would need big effort from author and extending for another 3 volumes or so, which I just do not see happening. Kano experienced a lot of new things with Nitta which was what made it feel like despite the hurt she would not go back to being a whore. Nitta as a person is one thing, feelings he evoked and the experience she had with him - is another. Just because the person 'responsible' for this hurt you doesn't mean it nullifies the feelings you experienced. We get hurt by our loved ones all the time, to bigger or smaller scale, but it happens but it does not make the feelings you had and experience you shared turn to zero, like it happened in this manga, no matter how hurt you would be. I can see her trying to fall for someone else, or maybe even a regret filled one night stand etc, but going back to being an orgy whore just wastes everything this manga have built on in feeling department. And without feelings this manga is nothing but a very shitty H manga with half-baked and plain sex scenes. Anyways, lets agree to disagree because obviously our views are completely and utterly different. |
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2011-08-18, 09:35 | Link #228 | |
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There are a few things that her mother did for her that you give credit only to Nitta as a "new experience." One is saying "good night" to Kano. She replies with "It's been a while since I've heard that." This is something her mother used to do for her. It's an act of compassion that Kano has learned before. The other is the shopping for other, which more than likely has been done with her late mother as well. Yet, you credit Nitta as if the act is completely new to Kano's world. Kano's mother gave her the affection she needed, and Kano remembers her. However, with the way she's been living her life, she has disregarded the feelings and experiences she learned through her mother, as you would put it. However, no one seemed to care that she was wasting her life after her real mother died. Then, when it comes to Nitta anything nice he does is a new experience, as if Kano's mother never existed, and when Kano goes back to the orgies, now Kano's in the wrong for discounting all the experiences she had. If you wanted to make a big deal about her learning nothing, then where were you at around chapter 8 when we learned she had someone to care for her in the past but still chose to act the way she does now? Do you really think a parent is that insignficant to the character's story? |
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2011-08-18, 10:30 | Link #229 | |
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2011-08-18, 14:52 | Link #230 |
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This story is on a really slow burn, until the end of this chapter it didn't seem like it was progressing at all.
Kano's mother is not insignificant its clear she had a major effect on her daughter, however we really don't know anything about the mother so she remains an unknown quantity.
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2011-08-19, 02:55 | Link #231 |
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Read the whole manga including the latest chapters after a friend's recommendation. I am amazed at the story and the art (the artist spend a LOT of effort on Kano).
I feel sorry for Kano. She was raised in an environment without much love. Her "friends" were never real friends. To her: sex is just another activity to burn time, and something she does with her "friends" because it makes them happy (gives her a sense of significance). I saw her as a lonely human who does not know about love and had very low self confidence. So in came Nitta: originally a toy, another form an entertainment. She knew that because he was bound by his debt he would not "betray" her - giving her the necessary courage to interact with this stranger. Over time she learns how to love, and starts to develop emotional attachments. Meanwhile, Nitta has been troubled by this unnatural relationship with Kano. He longed for a regular relationship. By "coincidence" he meet, and fell in love, with a stranger girl on the streets. Nitta is just another poor person who wanted to live a normal life. So finally one day Nitta could no longer stand being unfaithful to his "primary love interest" (Rumi - I don't think they are officially a couple) (from the latest chapter I feel somewhere in Nitta he cares for Kano). Reminded Kano that their relationship is based on money and tells her that he has trouble doing things with her as if she is his girlfriend... and that completely shattered her fragile heart. The only thing Kano knows is to go back to her old ways in an attempt to fill the void... I do not see Kano as a whore, but just someone misguided by her "friends". She has never truly enjoyed the orgy parties. She does it because she want people to keep her company. Eventually Nitta's dream must end and he will find out the truth of Rumi. His hidden feelings for Kano will eventually surface (*gasp!* Its a trap! Oh no what have I done to Kano!?!?). Kano too, will have to face herself and admit her love for Nitta. I have faith that eventually the two will begin a genuine relationship towards the conclusion of the manga - might even happen earlier if the author wish the couple to challenge the conspiracy together (quite likely in order to get more Nitta x Kano action going on). |
2011-08-20, 09:21 | Link #232 |
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I STILL don't see how theoretically seeking immediate gratification comfort sex with someone she knows would be acceptable but doing that through an orgy somehow ruins her character development
What do you think rebound sex is? you think either the man or woman is looking for something more other than sex? it's the same fucking thing. pun intended If you want to criticize something, criticize Kano for using blackmail and treating Nitta as a sex toy. The point of the story is not to condemn promiscuity.
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2011-08-20, 10:56 | Link #233 | |
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I don't really understand how Nemo can justify a "regret filled one night stand" and not what she's doing now. Again...it's like having two goldfish and somehow convincing yourself one is a whale. |
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2011-08-20, 15:10 | Link #234 | |
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And she actually enjoys taking it up in both holes as you can see from the pictures. On aftermath she makes bit sad face but she certainly loves getting fucked by anyone during the sex itself. its not an emiotionless escapism otherwise she would not be making such ecstasy filled faces during it. So its not Nitta that she enjoyed being with but his cock. |
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2011-08-20, 15:22 | Link #235 |
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You make it sound like it's not possible to have another one-night stand after your first one.
I also find it funny how you completely disregard the unhappy expression Kano makes while you use her ecstatic expression as evidence to condemn her. Why does one facial expression not count while another one does? |
2011-08-20, 16:13 | Link #236 | |
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I was a fool when I before thought that she didnt feel much during orgies and thought it more of a social gesture and that sex with Nitta was somewhat special - but the images confirm the opposite, she simply loves fucking, doesnt matter who the partner is. And if she is sad after - well some good fucking will fix that again. |
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2011-08-20, 16:25 | Link #237 | |
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2011-08-20, 19:23 | Link #238 | |
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Orgies for the sake of orgy are what they are, she fucks for fuck sake, its quite simple imo. Seriously at first I though she went for them for "socializing" but I ain't thinking like that anymore. If nittas get with her he either needs to buy viagra by boxes, or get her some "playtoys" for 24/7 pleasure mode. Otherwise she will do what she loves and we all know what that is. |
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2011-08-20, 19:40 | Link #239 |
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Yes, and it's clear that she wanted to escape something painful
Remember that she actually stopped going to the orgy when she thought she was making some progress. Cause and effect is clear. But if you are dead-set to see anything beyond Kanno went to the orgy because she only needs to fulfill her sex quota, then whatever.
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2011-08-20, 22:12 | Link #240 | |
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People are capable of having sex often, but they aren't capable of doing it 24/7 without resting. Kano can have sex as much as the next person but the sex will end and that's when she'll feel like crap again for losing Nitta. Kano isn't some superhuman sex machine that can get fucked non-stop. Thinking that she is giving her unrealistic standards. |
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