2013-05-20, 00:35 | Link #122 | |
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However, these are open questions: 1. Aside from sheer pride, what is the main motivation pushing each side of these conflicts forwards? 2. What are the actual stakes at play here? If Takayanagi succeeds, and Mayura fails, what's the consequences of that? I agree with Haak, in that I think much of the problem is that these conflicts get filtered through the eyes of Izumiko, and Izumiko herself doesn't care much about these conflicts, so it's hard for the viewers to care. I mean, Izumiko just casually goes along, pretty laidback (bordering on passive, really), and she just ends up siding with Mayura because her and Mayura happen to be roommates and Mayura happened to be nice/friendly to her. But Izumiko doesn't strike me as all that emotionally engaged in what matters most to the Souda siblings, as Izumiko is just kind of tangentally involved. It's kind of a weird position for a lead character to be in, really. This latest episode really did feel to me like watching an ongoing conflict from the perspective of a supporting cast character.
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2013-05-20, 00:35 | Link #123 | |
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2013-05-20, 04:31 | Link #124 | ||
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Mayura and Takayanagi are fighting for the world heritage candidate position, which comes with enormous benefits and power that both the winner and his/her supporting faction could find good uses for. Mayura's main motivation is Manatsu and Masumi. Takayanagi is the golden boy of the onmyouji faction. As for the himegami - well, by her own admission she's already destroyed humanity once and she may end up doing it again, I suppose something needs to be done about that? And as for the two story lines (Mayura vs Takayanagi, Izumiko and the himegami) running parallel, I expect the two will converge at one point. Well, they're already converging every now and then, as Takayanagi has already expressed interest in Izumiko, who was the first one to foil his trick, etc. Last edited by kuromitsu; 2013-05-20 at 04:43. |
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2013-05-20, 04:54 | Link #125 |
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For me, I thought the main conflict of the story has been made pretty clear since about the third of fourth episode, when Miyuki's Dad laid it out. It's true there are a lot of side stories going on simultaneously that aren't exhaustively explained early in their development, but I was OK with that.
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2013-05-20, 17:45 | Link #126 |
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Mystery is not my thing usually, so I'm not that invested in what the main conflict is (or will be, given that so far it has been put in stand-by).
In any case, on paper, I like the idea of unveiling the story through the supporting cast who supposedly are aware of the major part of the context, but less inclined to explain it to the main characters. And that happens even between Sagara toward Izumiko. So I can't blame Izumiko to be passive about her resolve finding out what's going on. She has been leaving in the dark by everyone since ever. So giving her character and her past I'm fine with that. If anything the one I'm expecting more resolve from is Sagara, but that's has not been shown yet. willingly I suppose/hope. Anyways, it seems that the show is focusing more on characters than the story. To say, in this episode with the poor Tabi's departure they focused mostly on the twin's relationship as humans relegating the paranormal aspects in a corner (Namely what was Tabi to Manatsu? His protector? And why Mayura should have to choose Masumi instead of Manatsu? And in all of this why Masumi seemed so uncaring? mmm, I just remembered that, about Mayura's decision, if I got it right it's because Mayura and Manatsu need to share the same feelings toward Masumi to keep him visible, sort of. So it's understandable that people feel confused about some aspects of the show. Because these aspect has been downplayed a bit. It's like they are trying to disguise a fantasy show within a Sol/drama show, or vice versa.
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2013-05-22, 17:13 | Link #128 |
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Very good episode this week. It cleared up quite a few things. Manatsu has the same heart disease Masumi had and therefore might die at any time. This is the reason he thinks he won't be able to stay with Mayura forever. He believed it might be better for him to die right now to spare her even more grief later.
Masumi's true identity was revealed as well. It seems like he's a being similar to Wamiya: a god that was given human shape by the wish of the Souda siblings. He's not really the real Masumi. He even attempted to trick Izumiko into releasing him. Speaking of Wamiya, he's apparently not out of the picture. He came to Tokyo in the form of a crow and combined his powers with Miyuki's in order to protect Izumiko. His resemblance with Takayanagi was brought up, but I don't think Miyuki's "theory" is the correct one lol. I wonder if there's a deeper reason for it. We finally met Izumiko's mom, and she is indeed pretty damn cool. Izumiko will have to work very hard if she wants to become like her.
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Very likely. Kuzuryuu is a creature on an entirely different level.
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2013-05-23, 07:57 | Link #131 | |
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In order for it to be a lie, the deception would have to be intentional, and I'm pretty certain it was not. Kuzuryuu was not trying to take on the form of Masumi. It just happened because the twins' desires and their unique power reshaped the bit of him that could reach outside the barrier into what they wanted. In essence they deceived themselves, because of how much they wanted their brother back. One can hardly blame them.
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2013-05-23, 09:02 | Link #133 |
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The Goddess said that the Dragon left one of it's heads before going back in the cave, the one that they know as Masumi. Whether they'll ever see him again depends on whether the twins can summon him again (or anyone capable of summoning Masumi really).
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2013-05-23, 11:38 | Link #136 |
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I agree with Kanon. This was a very good episode. It cleared up some things, and it was probably the least confusing RDG episode since Episode 4 or so.
I also felt that this episode had some excellent dialogue, and truly gorgeous visuals (RDG is strong in general here, but this episode really went all-out in looking awesome and fantastic).
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2013-05-23, 12:27 | Link #137 |
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It would be nice if the plot got a move on.
Masumi was being rational, but also a bit stubborn. Suzuhara was pretty persistent, which was nice for a change. Sagara was a nice surprise with the whole wings thing. Himegami part were interesting. I noticed that if you don't watch the episodes closely, you'll miss out in a flash.
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2013-05-23, 14:04 | Link #139 |
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Well that finally cleared up some things between the Souda twins though now i really wish it wasn't done in such a obfuscating way. I had to watch a lot of scenes twice in order to put all the pieces together.
I still don't know what to think of Masumi being a fake all along. I don't know whether to feel sorry for the fakeMasumi since he seemed like a genuine nice guy or surprised that the twins aren't shocked by the revelation that they had been horrifically duped the entire time. They seemed to brush it off amazingly well. But overall, I'd say the mystery worked in the show's favour this time round.
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-- It sad that I have little else to contribute here but to pat myself on the back for predicting some of the direction but episode eight, really, nicely warped up a lot of the plot punts that it had going. And now which treads it's going to take up again are... mine's as good as anyone's guess. 'xcept That Wamiya will be making a comeback but that was basically a given seeing as he's named and prominently featured in the opening animation. |
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